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When Big Brother Wants Your "Stuff" (FL Socialists Trample On Property Rights Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 09/12/06 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 09/12/2006 1:56:42 AM PDT by goldstategop

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To: visualops
That's not my sentence, it's from the article. See my #120.

I know, I'll disavow the statement if you like however the rest you will have to work out with my attorney. ; )

141 posted on 09/12/2006 6:11:52 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Ben Ficklin
Can you point out some examples of the abuse. No, you can't.

I've already pointed out two examples of abuse of confiscation by cops in Louisiana.

A bad law might be on the books for years until crooked officials emerge to take advantage of it.

142 posted on 09/12/2006 6:19:42 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Nip
Unfortunately you are very much wrong concerning the internment of Japanese or Americans of Japanese descent being the only group that were detained by the US after Dec 7, 1941.

Roughly an equal amount of Germans and citizens of German descent were detained during the war. In fact, if some 500 dual citizen Japanese-Americans had not renounced their US citizenship, there would have been more detained Germans and Americans of German descent than Japanese. It is not uncommon to either detain, or restrict the movements of, citizens of a hostile country on your soil for good reason. A smaller number of Italians and Americans of Italian descent were also detained (One of New Mexico's senators mother was taken as an Italian Without Papers).

It is a lie to say only one group was detained.
143 posted on 09/12/2006 6:25:58 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (Borders. Language. Culture. AAA-0. Free Travis Mcgee.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I wouldn't think there would be a problem regarding the government paid the owner to repair any damage caused by the government breaking in and the price for the equipment taken. Of course the government would then have to be responsible to secure the building as well against anyone taking advantage of it's forced entry.


144 posted on 09/12/2006 6:29:07 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (Borders. Language. Culture. AAA-0. Free Travis Mcgee.)
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To: Dan Evans
Well now, is it a problem of a bad law or a crooked official?

The reality is that the law protects the citizen from a crooked official because it specifically states that the citizen will be compensated.

145 posted on 09/12/2006 6:47:08 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

The problem is the law is just ripe for abuse.

Who determines that their is an emergency?

Who determines when that emergency is over?

Who determines what property can be seized?

Who determines how the seized property is to be "redistributed"?

What mechanism's exist to track the seizure of property?

How is the property owner informed of th seizure of his assets if he is not present?

Anyway you cut it, this law stinks to high heavens. It shouldn't even be considered in America. Even in an emergency the rights of individual citizens should be tantamount.


146 posted on 09/12/2006 7:04:50 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (Borders. Language. Culture. AAA-0. Free Travis Mcgee.)
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To: EGPWS

:^)


147 posted on 09/12/2006 7:24:45 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us crikey!)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Well now, is it a problem of a bad law or a crooked official?

Both. Crooked politicians take advantage of bad laws. This is why the Constitution was designed to limit the power of government.

The reality is that the law protects the citizen from a crooked official because it specifically states that the citizen will be compensated.

That's not reality, that's your legal theory. The reality is that it often isn't practical for citizens to recover from government abuse. I could cite multiple abuses of eminent domain, criminal forfeiture or New Orleans cops illegally seizing guns during emergencies. We can't trust them -- that's reality . We shouldn't be giving these people new laws to justify their thieving.

148 posted on 09/12/2006 7:42:07 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: goldstategop

Big Brother's already been there, done that (leftist/socialist activist judges and anti-Christian legislators). Terri Shiavo comes immediately to mind... but there are more less-publicized instances throughout the country.

When the next 'emergency situation' occurs (just a matter of time), if the government 'thinks' it's going to take away my guns (as a female living alone, my ONLY protection from the thugs and criminals the leftists have released back on the streets by the thousands)...the government has another 'think' coming. I'll do whatever is necessary to retain and continue to possess my only protection from the criminal element that government has failed to control or to curtail (witness the looting and mayhem in New Orleans, while NO cops stood by either watching or helping).

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Sooner or later, this government will manage to make criminals of us all, to one degree or another. This kind of news is just more confirmation of that eventuality.

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Next Big Brother will decide he wants to take your life.


149 posted on 09/12/2006 9:26:24 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Wonder Warthog

Just cause it's illegal, doesn't mean that it couldn't or wouldn't happen. It happened in New Orleans. It could happen here in Texas too. Only difference is, here in Texas, somebody on the side of the 'firearm confiscators/takers' would get shot.

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Now, the part about confiscating personal firearms IS illegal (proven by court cases in New Orleans).


150 posted on 09/12/2006 9:35:35 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Dan Evans

Beg Pardon.


151 posted on 09/12/2006 10:59:07 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: goldstategop

You Are Absolutly,Positivly 100% Correct !!!!


152 posted on 09/12/2006 11:01:52 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: goldstategop

I wonder if owning property is going to be a good investment over the long haul as we seem to be steadily sliding ever so slowly into socialism.

It's one defeat after the next for property owners.
-the supreme court rulings on land taking
-the ever increasing zoning restrictions
-the DNR
-the excessive taxes that turn us into renters of our own property


153 posted on 09/12/2006 11:05:20 PM PDT by Crooked Constituent
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To: Ben Ficklin

whatever


154 posted on 09/13/2006 4:01:55 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Dan Evans
I don't mean to single you out because you are not the only idealogue at FR.

The reality of life contradicts your lofty ideals.

Most understand that this is beneficial and, in spite of the fact that it may-could-might be exploited, would support it.

You point to isolated events of exploitation even without such a law. On the other hand, there are vastly more examples of individuals volunteering their property,money, and time to help others.

155 posted on 09/13/2006 4:08:43 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: EGPWS
I hope it isn't that d#mn neighbor across the street again! /snicker

LOL!  Me too!!!!! 

156 posted on 09/13/2006 7:35:58 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Ben Ficklin
The reality is that government tends to be grossly corrupt and incompetent in public assistance. The bumpling of FIMA and of Mayor Nagin in absolutely stunning. Not isolated examples but generally the rule. Millions of dollars wasted in transporting drinking water across country to places where it never arrived or wasn't needed. School buses that could have been used to evacuate people were sitting idle and allowed to be flooded. The Mayor himself leaving town and house-hunting in Houston while people were trapped in their homes.

The examples I point out are a small sample of the abuses that are happening now. Abuse of eminent domain has become rampant. There are videos of dozens of instances of police confiscating any cash on people they stop for little or no good reason.

On the other hand, there are vastly more examples of individuals volunteering their property,money, and time to help others.

Yes, that's a good thing. And since there are so many examples of private charity, why do we need laws to mandate it? When you are forced to "help others" that is a bad thing. That's the kind of socialist ideology that fails. You need to have more faith in your fellow man and less confidence in your government.

157 posted on 09/13/2006 8:35:13 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Hawk1976
Exactly. Just like "anti-gouging laws," "commandeering" laws will only serve to discourage self-sufficiency and will insure smaller supplies of necessities in future emergencies.

Would you spend the money on a generator, large stocks of food, etc. for your own family, when they may just be taken from you "for the public good?" And what good does compensation do in an emergency?

"File your claim with the county office, and you should hear something back from them in 6 to 8 weeks. Until then, good luck."

Socialists everywhere, it's depressing.

158 posted on 09/13/2006 8:44:09 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Ben Ficklin
On the other hand, there are vastly more examples of individuals volunteering their property,money, and time to help others.

Yep.

159 posted on 09/13/2006 8:49:06 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Dan Evans
Faced with the fact that only one individual complained, you have nothing to stand on.

Faced with the fact that, in Katrina, Walmart gave the keys to LEOs asking that they only leave a note for what they took, you have nothing to stand on.

160 posted on 09/13/2006 8:50:22 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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