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To: samadams2000
It isn't a lie.

You shot yourselves in the foot. You went to the members of the house and told them you were a majority. But you were not. The house believed you and passed legislation you wanted.

Then when the Senate wrote a bill, Hastert learned the truth. So he set out to raise public support for trashing illegal immigration. It failed.

So here are your choices guys... Vote for your boy in the primary and lose the general election. Then the Democratic House will pass a bill that contains the same provisions as the Canadian bill. That is show a valid Mexican birth certificate and legally live and work anywhere in the USA they want to.

The senate will compromise with the house.. meaning the best you can hope for is full amnesty and no fast track to citizenship. Or you can have the Senate bill if you do what the Republican establishment wants and we hold the house.

When in the spring you are looking at a Democrat House and you will understand why all those Mexicans are cheering. The Democrats will have solved the illegal immigrant problem by making them all legal... and perhaps if they capture the Senate too, you can refer to them as Mexican Americans.

18 posted on 09/11/2006 3:01:23 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator

How about instead we simply ignore every analysis you put forward, as it always seems to lead to Liberal policy succeding either way?

BTW, last *I* checked most Republicans AND Democrats were running campaigns claiming they are for tough border enforcement. I just watched one such commercial by cantwell yesterday on my Tv screen.

She wasn't advocating amnesty. She was spinning herself into Tom Tancredo.

If you are going to make a claim that the majority position in this country isn't enforcement, maybe you ought to have facts on your side. Santorum certainly doesn't have your back on this conclusion.


19 posted on 09/11/2006 3:45:36 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: Common Tator

"Then the Democratic House will pass a bill that contains the same provisions as the Canadian bill. That is show a valid Mexican birth certificate and legally live and work anywhere in the USA they want to"

They already do that now! The only difference is they will continue to do it under democrats...IF and that is IF they win


20 posted on 09/11/2006 6:02:46 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Common Tator

Let's stop wasting elections. It doesn't matter what the voters think and it's expensive.


21 posted on 09/11/2006 6:07:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Common Tator

What a sad, sad post. Full of delusion, lies and wishful thinking.

"You shot yourselves in the foot. You went to the members of the house and told them you were a majority. But you were not. The house believed you and passed legislation you wanted."

Really? Did HR-4437 not pass? Do opinions polls like the trusted Rasmussen Reports not show the majority of Americans support, by something like twenty points, a fence of the U.S.-Mexico border? The national guard on the border? Not giving illegals welfare benefits? The majority of Americans do support these things, president Bush and Kenneth Mehlman do not. Tancredo is more in the majority on most things involving illegal immigration than president Bush and his good senate immigration buddies; John McCain, Edward Kennedy and Harry Reid. Oh let's not forget his praise on immigration from Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

"Then when the Senate wrote a bill, Hastert learned the truth."

Which was what? The senate acts like a house of lords and is out-of-step with America on many issues?

"So he set out to raise public support for trashing illegal immigration."

Yes, you caught him. Hastert, Sensenbrenner and the rest went on to trash illegals. If you believe that, how can you call yourself a conservative in good faith? There is nothing conservative about a comment about illegal immigration like that, it's to ignorant. Only to open borders loonies can having hearings on illegal immigration be considered "trashing." And even if that was what it was, which it wasn't, what is wrong with trashing those who openly break our laws?

"So here are your choices guys... Vote for your boy in the primary and lose the general election."

You seem really saddened that a conservative may win and not the RINO, simply because you are a left-winger on illegal immigration and Randy Graf is not. Graf will most likely not lose the general, it's a conservative district. The republican candidate, no matter who it is, will be the favorite.

You seem the type willing to give up any principle for power, just like the RNC. Sure vote for leftists like Joe Lieberman and Lincoln Chafee. It's your vote. I already live with enough guilt for thinking Clinton was a decent president at one time.

"Then the Democratic House will pass a bill that contains the same provisions as the Canadian bill. That is show a valid Mexican birth certificate and legally live and work anywhere in the USA they want to."

Rewarding illegals just like Bush and establishment types want. Maybe a little more, but closer to Bush's views most likely than the house bill, HR-4437.

"The Democrats will have solved the illegal immigrant problem by making them all legal..."

Exact same thing with Bush's "path to citizenship" garbage. Yeah I know, it may take only this amount of time as opposed to this amount of time in the senate bill. Big deal.


22 posted on 09/11/2006 6:23:32 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Conservative democrats > liberal republicans.)
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To: Common Tator
Vote for your boy in the primary and lose the general election.

Wait a minute here....I thought that was what primaries are for, nominating the best possible candidate to run in the general election.

So now you're advocating for conservatives to simply not participate in the primary process and just vote for the Republican regardless? I understand holding the nose for the Republican in the general but for the primary?

23 posted on 09/11/2006 6:30:47 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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