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This is ridiculous, y’all want to lock them up for a “crime” in which NO ONE had their rights violated. Yes what they did was sick and disgusting and there is no way in hell I’d ever want to be in the same room as them but they did not hurt anyone. At best they should be fined for destruction of property and only if it wasn’t their dog...or oven.

Look, the only just propose of the law is to defend the rights of the PEOPLE or to facilitate that end. I’m sorry but animal cruelty laws do not fit the bill. Unless you want to start artificially extending rights to animals, anything that happens to them is not a violation of anyone’s rights and hence should not be illegal.

Like the man says you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Our law is not based on “majority rules” but on individual rights. Just because you don’t like what someone else is doing doesn’t give you the right to force him to do as you or the majority wills.


62 posted on 09/11/2006 9:02:07 AM PDT by Raymann
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Fine. Don't lock 'em up in a prison.

Lock 'em up in a loony bin.

These two are well on the way to becoming serial killers. Read John Douglas' books for details (be warned--they are not for the squeamish, he's a retired FBI profiler who explains everything, including the stuff you never want to hear about).


67 posted on 09/11/2006 9:05:50 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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"but they did not hurt anyone."

The dog would beg to differ...if it could.


78 posted on 09/11/2006 9:16:20 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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Under your twisted legal logic, bestiality should be legal because no human is hurt. Animal welfare laws are constitutional and have been court tested.


87 posted on 09/11/2006 9:27:43 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Raymann

The psychological science is clear. The proper response to these two is the same as the proper response to finding a black widow spider in your house -- it's too dangerous to allow to live; kill it.


112 posted on 09/11/2006 9:54:15 AM PDT by steve-b (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.)
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To: Raymann

Cruelty against animals is not illegal due to the extension of any rights to the animal. It is illegal because a person capable of cruelty toward an animal is equally capable of cruelty toward a human being. Therefore, the arrest and (if convicted) punishment of those who are cruel to animals is an act of community self-defense -- the elimination of a known threat to the peace of the community and the lives of its citizens.

Cruelty against animals is immoral because animals are living creatures created by God, and partake (in various ways) in His sanctity. God ordains certain relationships between men and animals (e.g. food, hides, milk, pets, etc.) and prohibits cruelty towards them as part of the natural law; acts which exhibit a disordered relationship to animals (e.g. cruelty, bestiality, etc.) on the part of human beings are evidence of a disordered relationship to God, are violations of the natural law, and are thus sinful.

The sanctity of life -- all life -- extends even to plants and microorganisms. Deliberately burning down a forest or poisoning a healthy tree are examples of disordered actions towards plants; using bacteria as a weapon of war represents a disordered relationship between man and bacteria. In fact, the misuse of any part of the natural world -- the deliberate and unrestrained pollution of the environment, the use of viruses for human genetic engineering, and other disordered actions taken toward God's good creation are examples of sin.

Finally, as Christians we are called to follow the example of Christ. Our Lord was born among farm animals, used fish for food and birds as living demonstrations of His divine power, and rode upon a donkey into Jerusalem, yet nowhere is it recorded that He exhibited any cruelty or callousness towards animals. Instead, He presents Himself to us as a gentle shepherd. Dare we ignore His example?


150 posted on 09/11/2006 11:22:39 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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You are focusing on the animal rather than the perp, and missing the entire point.
No one is arguing that puppies have "rights", or that it is the equivalent of a human being, but

Anyone who slowly deliberately and consciously tortures and kills a mammal larger than a rat, is not only capable of killing a human, but quite often does exactly that.

170 posted on 09/11/2006 12:23:22 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Raymann
This is ridiculous, y’all want to lock them up for a “crime” in which NO ONE had their rights violated. Yes what they did was sick and disgusting and there is no way in hell I’d ever want to be in the same room as them but they did not hurt anyone. At best they should be fined for destruction of property and only if it wasn’t their dog...or oven.

The correllation between this act and serial killing is this very high.

Think of it as a retroactive abortion of a diseased fetus.

250 posted on 12/15/2006 9:50:24 AM PST by Lazamataz (That's the spirit.)
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