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Meet the No Planers. They believe there weren't any planes on 9/11, just missiles
Brendan O'Neill.com from New Statesman ^ | September 11, 2006 | By Brendan O'Neill.

Posted on 09/11/2006 7:10:10 AM PDT by aculeus

Edited on 09/12/2006 3:52:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: aculeus
The Pentagon's anti-missile defence system would definitely have picked up and dealt with a commercial airliner.

The Pentagon didn't have an "anti-missile defence system" on 9/11/2001.

81 posted on 09/11/2006 9:17:17 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: SuziQ

A spokesman for one of the conpiracy groups,Drew Avery,was on WRKO several weeks ago.
The host asked him, if it was a missile that hit the Pentagon,..what happened to the flight that took off from (Boston?)He replied that he didn't know,but he was sure it didn't hit the Pentagon!!


82 posted on 09/11/2006 9:21:05 AM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: Pete

My mom's second-cousin was one of the civilian contractors working on remodeling the Pentagon. He had a flat tire on his way to work that morning and was just pulling up to the gate when the plane hit, otherwise he probably would have been killed when Flight 77 hit.


83 posted on 09/11/2006 9:22:28 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I see storms on the horizon.")
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To: aculeus

I guess they need to be surrounded by a vast circle of STUPID people, before they can convince themselves that they actually ARE intellectually superior.


84 posted on 09/11/2006 9:22:29 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Pete
Just that example disproves the theory.

I think we all miss the point. It's simply a marketing niche. In any poll, no matter how absurd, at least 10% of the people end up on the goody side of the poll. Elvis, space aliens, Courtney Love, etc. 10% of the population can make for an incredibly lucrative market. When you are making money spouting absurd bile, you simply make lame excuses for any inconsistency and your audience laps it up.

85 posted on 09/11/2006 9:39:25 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some Freepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: ladyjane
Mom worked on lower 5th Avenue back then (she has since retired) and she was walking south on either 5th or 6th Avenue when it happened. I happened to have had a doctor's appointment that morning (up in the East 60s -- my doctor and her husband lived downtown and he worked from home, so my doctor was frantic) and only heard about the planes on my Walkman (from that day forward, I am only rarely without it). I got back to my office just in time to see the 2nd tower fall.

My office had the best view in the entire building, so we had a lot of people up there watching, absolutely dumbstruck. One of the guys I worked with had one of those tiny portable TVs and we watched one of the local over-the-air stations give the description of what we were watching.

Luckily, I had had a cable modem installed only about 10 days earlier because phone service in Manhattan was sporadic, at best. My mother and I reached each other, and we agreed that she would meet me at my apartment. She's not in the best of health, but she had to walk from her office on lower 5th Avenue to my apartment on the Upper East Side.

I managed to get some cash from an ATM that didn't have an outrageous line, as well as some groceries, and a friend and I agreed that I'd bring my mother over to her place so all 3 of us could watch Fox News and keep each other company.

I thank God for that cable modem because it was my only link with the outside world. They'd asked us to avoid using cell phones so that the cells would be free for emergency workers, and the landlines were difficult. I had to e-mail my brother in Los Angeles to tell him to call our father on Long Island (only 25 miles from Manhattan) to let him know our mother was with me and doing well.

I knew a few people who died in the Towers. If there hadn't been a hiring freeze at Marsh & McLennan, I'd have been in Tower 1 at the point of impact. To this day, I wonder how I managed to escape that fate. Some friends knew upwards of a dozen. I sent out e-mails to a lot of former co-workers, to see if they were OK. I got an e-mail back from one of those former co-workers who sent me a blackberry message he'd gotten from one of the other men on my list who didn't make it. That message was sent while he was trying to escape.

Another friend is a former cop who spent days at the site, helping with the cleanup. She didn't sleep well for a very long time afterwards.

I have close friends who were among those who were covered in dust and debris. I don't pretend that my story is any more harrowing than theirs. I only know that it angers me no end that so many people here in New York pretend the world is the same as it was on 9/10/01 and that George W. Bush is more dangerous than either Saddam Hussein or Osama. I'd be ashamed for them, but it wouldn't matter because, as we here know, liberals have no shame.

86 posted on 09/11/2006 10:28:22 AM PDT by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: aculeus
Oh my goodness, Morgan Reynolds is a no-planer too. I passed through this site some time ago, and didn't stay there because I truly thought it was satire. Apparently I was wrong, and it really is Morgan Reynold's site? Anyway, wow:

The technology was publicly available in 2003, so it is possible the military had it earlier. Such a plane might have taken off from Stewart Air base in Newburgh, NY, the alleged crossover point of the flight paths of Flights 11 and 175. The soon-to-turn-invisible plane would blend in with a radar inject and become the new radar blip. The aircraft could have been remote controlled to fly by the south tower on its east side or piloted by a human. The plane would time its “switch to invisibility” at the south tower with nearly simultaneous ignition of internal charges in the tower. It would all happen within the space of two seconds, stunning everyone and convincing many that they just saw a crash at the tower.

(and the now-invisible plane would avoid hitting Tower 2 itself by...stopping short?)

The spectacular fireball on the east side of the south tower went off too fast to be natural and did not burn at the so-called impact hole where oxygen and fuel would be abundant, so it was a trick. The fireball was an “Independence Day” terror event on its own but also performed the role of being a spectacular distraction to further hide the fly by. The plane’s engines presumably would have been quieted to enhance the realism of the feigned crash, perhaps essentially gliding for moments.

It's just a miracle that the invisible plane didn't glide right into the Millenium hotel after passing Tower 2 and "quieting its engines".

It then headed out to sea for destruction if remote controlled or more likely it landed at a secret base because it would have been expensive “one-off” technology.
This entire hypothesis, of course, may prove barren but deserves further investigation, especially since it would reconcile impossible crash physics with eyewitness testimony to the contrary. Please people, do not call this a “hologram” theory! I do not believe there is technology to project a realistic 3D high-speed image in broad daylight, as hypothesized by hologram speculation . Instead I am proposing that a real airplane suddenly turned sky blue on its underside, thereby “disappearing” from view, and maybe even simultaneously reflecting lower Manhattan on its topside to fool people at higher elevations.

I'm so relieved. For a minute there, I thought you were going to suggest something insane. :D

Here is more food for thought: the same chameleon plane could have appeared at all three events: 9:03a at WTC 2, 9:32-9:37a at the Pentagon, and 10:06a at Shanksville, PA. In truth, the perps only needed the disappearing plane trick at WTC 2 but it is a promising possibility for Shanksville too. The Pentagon event did not really need an airliner but the single plane theory proposed this month as a parody of the JFK single-bullet theory actually might make sense! The same disappearing act by the same secret plane could have been used at all three locations! We shall see if future work bears any of this out.

Maybe I'm still wrong, and this IS satire, as I originally thought? He drew a federal paycheck, please tell me he's joking?

87 posted on 09/11/2006 10:30:11 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: american spirit; streetpreacher; patriot_wes

I don't remember which one of you three was the Morgan Reynolds fan (one of you mentioned his name to me on a thread a couple months back, which thread I can't seem to find anymore)-- but anyway, please take a look at the site linked in #87 and tell me if it's his site and if he's serious...and if you were...


88 posted on 09/11/2006 11:08:43 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: aculeus

Paging Dr. Freud....


89 posted on 09/11/2006 11:10:11 AM PDT by Lawdoc (Our troops are the best & most humane in the world. Pray for them.)
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bump


90 posted on 09/11/2006 11:13:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: aculeus

"They walk among us, they even look like us" BUMP


91 posted on 09/11/2006 11:14:33 AM PDT by VOA
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To: aculeus
There was a time in the Clinton years when there were conspiracy theories of nearly comparable ludicrosity circulating on the Right. Anyone remember J. Orlin Grabbe?

-ccm

92 posted on 09/11/2006 11:18:31 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Elyse

...And, of course, the bottom line in this article, is that the JEWS did it.


93 posted on 09/11/2006 11:19:43 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (T)
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To: aculeus

The left shows its mentally deranged state. They can't accept the fact that hate-filled islamic terrorists murdered almost 3000 people and that Bush actually went after the bastards. They hate the fact that people actually admired Bush for his actions and re-elected him.
That fact is too much for their hate-filled minds and they try to change reality. It's not possible to change reality, and so they go crazier and crazier.


94 posted on 09/11/2006 11:20:38 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Islamic Terrorists: The new nazis, aided and abetted by the left and their enablers in the media.)
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To: hellinahandcart
Maybe I'm still wrong, and this IS satire, as I originally thought? He drew a federal paycheck, please tell me he's joking?

I've had a problem reaching that site. Will try later.

95 posted on 09/11/2006 11:21:57 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: RockinRight

"So apparently the thousands of people that saw the plane hit were imagining it?"

That's right! All those evil Americans in Hoboken, Jersey City and the Atlantic Highlands who looked out their window that morning imagined it. But two stupid Brits eating biscuits in a flat in Highgate know what happened. Why do I give that country my tourist dollars??????


96 posted on 09/11/2006 11:23:47 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (T)
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To: xp38
The planes that hit the WTC were 767s. The plane that hit the Pentagon and flight 93 were 757s.

No,no,no,no, they were holograms! Don't you get it? It was all fake. And the towers were brought down by explosives! Bush did it. He wanted to start a war. /s

97 posted on 09/11/2006 11:27:08 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: aculeus

98 posted on 09/11/2006 11:33:31 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: kellynch
She's not part of any conspiracy.

That's what you think. How much do you actually know about her?

99 posted on 09/11/2006 11:35:23 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Pete
That cannot be faked. Just that example disproves the theory.

Sure it can. That's the great thing about conspiracy theories. Everything that should disprove them only proves how devious the conspirators are, how deep and elaborate the deception. I occasionally poke into DU, and the depth of the insanity there is amazing. You should read them analyzing the phone calls from the planes. One person can't locate Todd Beamer's birth certificate, and is telling the world that means he never existed.

100 posted on 09/11/2006 11:39:57 AM PDT by Heyworth
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