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Anyone who would oppose smacking around a terrorist to extract information that would stop an attack saving thousands, hundreds, dozens, or even just one life, is a sick demented person. Whether a loved one or a stranger, I'd gladly and with great fervor beat the snot out of ANYONE who had information that would stop an attack that would kill ANY number of Americans. Anyone who wouldn't do the same is sick in their head. The terrorist will recover from the beating. The civilians killed in a terrorist attack won't recover from being dead anytime soon I don't believe.

If information can be extracted without torture, of course that should ALWAYS be first. But when the rubber meets the road, they sit there smiling at you, you know they know something, and you know people will die if the terrorist doesn't tell you what they know, well, some bruises for them is what I say.

Any critic of physical means of extracting information, I'd like to see them say on the record that if they knew that their loved ones, their wife/husband, or parents, or children, were going to die in the attack, and they could only get the information to stop the attack by beating them up some, and they wouldn't do that, they're full of it. If they love their family member at all, they'll smack the guy around until he talks, and if they'd do it for someone they love, and then critique someone doing it to save strangers, well they're a hypocrit. So critics of mild physical means of extracting information as a last resort in crunch time scenarios when an attack is impending, they're either a terrible hypocrit, or do not value human life. It's that simple.

You said -- "So critics of mild physical means of extracting information as a last resort in crunch time scenarios when an attack is impending, they're either a terrible hypocrit, or do not value human life. It's that simple."

The problem here is that I might see you smiling at me and think you have information about the next terrorist attack. Then I'm going to torture you until I get the answers I want, because I don't want my family killed.

And, of course, that would be completely legitimate, because you would certainly yield the information I wanted, because I wouldn't quit until you did.

Regards,
Star Traveler

Agreed. I've love to see the CIA or some other agency give one oftheir top agents a plastic surgery job to look just like Jack Bauer. He wouldn't have to do much...

So critics of mild physical means of extracting information as a last resort in crunch time scenarios when an attack is impending, they're either a terrible hypocrit, or do not value human life. It's that simple.

Well. . .there you have it - nailed. . .

The hypocritical nutshell of Liberals who arrogantly imagine they own the moral 'highground' while they never set foot on it; and who are in truth; anti-humanitarian. An observation easily confirmed by their demonstrated contempt for 'innocent life' and contempt for those who aspire to the 'humanitarian' by living a 'reasoned and moral' life. .. .

The non-exclusive Humanitarian virtue these Libs ascribe to themselves, is rather, an virtue-less, exclusive, self-serving empathy; reserved only for those who resonate to their idiological, Liberal MO of hate. They 'care' for this enemy; who hates all who do not share his world view. They empathize with this enemy; who shares their contempt for all who ascribe to an authentic morality.

[So. . .while the self-congratulatory Libs, fight for and defend; and ignore the pain and suffering of an abortion and/or partial birth abortion - amoral medical solutions. . .convenient genocides; they come to tears defending the terrorist; whose will to life, is similarly framed by an inferior 'anti-principle'; which allows that all who do not share their fundamentalist/Islamic world view; (or who are just innocent and inconvenient to that view). . .deserve to die. . .

. . . alone. . .en masse and/or, by an enhanced mission of genocide.]