Dave...regarding our discussion last evening, concerning Arnold Murray...the poster on FR, whose views seemed to mirror Arnold Murrays, is right here on this thread...its JustMyThoughts...she explained to me Murrays thoughts of the creation of the races of man on the 6th day, and the creation of Adam after the 7th day, of rest...as I explained to you on that other thread last nite, I do not defend Murray or his views, I just find him interesting...
But perhaps JustMyThoughts could explain to you all the better, about Murrays views on creation of the races of men, creation of Noah, and about the various races going into the ark with Noah...
Its a good coincidence that you both showed up on this same thread, because perhaps JustMyThoughts could better explain to you, using the Scriptures, how Murray comes to his conclusions...as I said, I dont necessarily adhere to Murrays beliefs...but I do find him to be very interesting...
JustMyThoughts...hope you did not mind my pinging you, but figured you could do a better job of explaining Murrays positions than I can...thanks...
I am sorry I have had maybe two interactions with you. Now if you would like to get your Bible out we can go through Genesis and I will type word for word what it actually says.
I can read what is Written and I do know where to find what is Written.
I've tried to come to an understanding for myself on some of teachings. The two different days of creating man, as you mention, what Hell actually is, what tongues is and what actually happened on Pentecost day.
My take on him
1)He's not out to make a buck like so so many other televangelists are. His audio tapes are 4 bucks last time I checked but he doesn't shill and go on and on and on begging for money, promising to heal people if they send in a "love gift" or trying to sell books.
2) He's not racist. I searched around on the net years ago when I first discovered him and one site ( I forget the name but the same site suggested Charles Stanley wasn't a true Christian because he's been divorced.) claimed he was or at least taught Christian Identity. Actually hearing him talk/teach more I became satisfied he is not. Is 7th day creation true? I don't know. If it is, the CI movement takes a possibly true doctrine and utterly perverts it with hatred. God truly is color blind.
3) He believes the earth is billions of years old and says fossils and dating methods support this claim. Once heard him say that people running around shouting the earth is only 6000 yrs old are an embarrassment to their faith. He keeps a T-Rex tooth in his desk drawer.
4) I agree with him that there is no rapture. I am able to wrap my mind around that one on my own. II Thess. somewhere in there..it's been a very long time since I opened a bible but I did highlight it years ago and also noticed a correlation about being "carried away" ot "taken" in the Gospels is the same word used in Rev. that talks about a flood from the Dragon's mouth carrying people away. I'll post or freepmail, whichever you prefer, the exact bible quotes and my take on it later when I have more time if you're at all interested.
5) The mark of the Beast is no tattoo or bar code, chip, or anything like that. It's whether or not you believe the antiChrist is really Jesus and worship him. It's a state of mind or falling for deception. I'm guessing that those that do not worship him will be shunned and denied food maybe other stuff. See, if you refuse to bow down to the antiChrist but he or followers were to capture and hold a person down, stamp a big 666 on them even though they refuse to worship him...what are they supposed to do? Commit suicide to avoid a "stamping"? What's in a person's head or heart is what counts, not what's on or done to their body
No bearing on the subject at all but on one broadcast, this would be 4 maybe 5 years ago he panned to the pew or audience section when Loretta Lynn visited his church once. I almost forgot, his show is unique in that he reads a bible chapter line by line then breaks it down into modern english or explains it instead of jumping around with his own lesson plan. Also, the way the second half is him answering viewer questions. Those two things are what I found refreshing about him years ago in a tv world filled with Benny Hinns, Peter Popoffs and even Jesse Duplantis'. The latter guy of which is very likable on screen and has a great flair for telling funny stories.