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Biologist says evolution, religion can coexist
Lawrence Journal World ^ | 9/8/06 | Kenneth Miller

Posted on 09/09/2006 8:39:07 PM PDT by curiosity

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To: stands2reason

5. Image: A personification of something specified: That child is the image of good health.

Get it? I hope so.


181 posted on 09/10/2006 1:06:45 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Just mythoughts

Yes, you ARE incorrect. God works in wonderful and mysterious ways.


182 posted on 09/10/2006 1:37:48 PM PDT by Paradox (The "smarter" the individual, the greater his power of self-delusion.)
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To: Torie
I loathe that word heretic. It gives me the chills. It brings back so many memories of the ugly in history, and in the present, in some benighted and ignorant quarters.

Shying away from the word makes one shy against defending the Truth.

183 posted on 09/10/2006 1:48:50 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: freedumb2003

God passed in front of Moses in Exodus 33. That doesn't sound so allegorical. Why should people be so bent out of shape about the thought that God would have a form that is similar to ours, or more correctly, that we should have a form that is similar to God's? Why should we presume that God has a different form of body or no body at all, if when He says in Scripture that He does?


184 posted on 09/10/2006 1:57:53 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: VictoryGal
Why ask me? Ask Him yourself.

He refers to Himself having different body parts in Scripture but doesn't give us a complete rundown of each and every one. I personally don't care about it in all it's fine detail and I don't see why it should matter.

Clearly when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and referred to Himself as the *bread of life*, He meant that allegorically, as He was physically standing in their very presence but just because some parts are allegorical, doesn't mean that all are to be taken that way all the time.

185 posted on 09/10/2006 2:05:44 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: curiosity
“In the final analysis (God) used evolution to set us free.”

Brown University biologist Kenneth Miller used this quote from his book “Finding Darwin’s God” as a central point in his speech about simultaneously believing in evolution and religion.

In the final analysis,
you either believe in the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Israel
or you believe the lies of the Evil One.
b'shem Yah'shua
186 posted on 09/10/2006 2:06:38 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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To: Just mythoughts
There is no other interpretation of evolution except "anti-theistic".

Glad I didn't say that.

Presuming to know the mind and methods of God is a symptom of at least one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Spread all over the internet for everyone (including God) to see.

187 posted on 09/10/2006 2:20:59 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: sodpoodle
As a searching, humble agnostic I was disgusted and offended.

I thought the same thing the first time I saw the millipede symbol on the back of an auto, which I believe began as a response to the fish symbol many Christians place on their vehicle. Though I wasn't as much disgusted as I was puzzled at the insecurity of person who would go to that length to argue against the peaceful symbol of the fish. I don't think the fish represents any thing other than Jesus, though I could be wrong on that.

Your whole tone is one of humility, and I believe you when you say you're searching, and I get a distinct sense that you're searching for God because God, in whatever personal and distinct manner, has made himself known to you.

I hope you are not offended by my post to you. I'm am by no means a person who is trying to push you into believing anything. I'm just a person, like C.S.Lewis, who has, for whatever reason(s) a special kind of affection for agnostics.

188 posted on 09/10/2006 2:39:44 PM PDT by AlbionGirl ("Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." Paine)
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To: 43north

We all have to remember that the Bible was written before man knew about DNA and other scientific tests.

If God rewrote the Bible in 2006 scientific terms, it would probably sound differently than what we have in Genisis.

That does not mean that Genesis is wrong. It just means that it was written very simply so that the people of that time could understand it.


189 posted on 09/10/2006 2:39:53 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: metmom; microgood; stands2reason

> Why ask me? Ask Him yourself.

Because you seem so sure that God has body parts, I'm asking you. So, if we mirror God's *physical* body, since you seem to know so definitively... does God have nose hair? How about intestines? How about toenails? Stomach acid? Cartilage? Nipples? If not these, why? God has every part we have, except for the embarrassing ones?

> He refers to Himself having different body parts in Scripture but doesn't give us a complete rundown of each and every one. I personally don't care about it in all it's fine detail and I don't see why it should matter.

It matters because it illustrates the absurd nature of God having a physical body. For one thing, God is infinite. How could He possibly have a contained, finite body? Why would he need a digestive system if he was the alpha/omega and immortal? Why would He need to be born of a woman to have a physical manifestation here on Earth?

> Clearly when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and referred to Himself as the *bread of life*, He meant that allegorically, as He was physically standing in their very presence but just because some parts are allegorical, doesn't mean that all are to be taken that way all the time.

What (scriptural or otherwise) evidence do you have that He is not speaking allegorically when He is talking about His mouth, face, etc.? Keep in mind He is trying to explain Himself to puny, finite beings for whom it is nearly impossible to understand what omnipresent, omnipotent, and infinite really means.


190 posted on 09/10/2006 2:46:59 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: USMMA_83

I'm not scared of debate.

You must be thinking of someone else.

And, I don't believe the Bible is God's word.


191 posted on 09/10/2006 2:56:02 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: Jessarah
Also, stands2reason, what do you mean by posting "theist!=Christian".

That means that not all theists are Christians. The terms aren't interchangeable.

192 posted on 09/10/2006 2:58:18 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: metmom

Your Bible has no allegory, or is it your mind cannot grasp it?

God with a physical body. Like the Hindus believe, or like the old pagans...

And you are in the same religion as the people who do not believe God has a body?

There are no words...


193 posted on 09/10/2006 3:09:58 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: VictoryGal

I'm getting nauseous...


194 posted on 09/10/2006 3:10:48 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: elkfersupper
"Presuming to know the mind and methods of God is a symptom of at least one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Spread all over the internet for everyone (including God) to see."

Never heard of your "Seven Deadly Sins", and some people really really give the 'internet' far more importance than spiritually speaking it holds. Christ even in the flesh knew what His enemies were thinking, none of we in the flesh have that ability.
195 posted on 09/10/2006 3:13:38 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: VictoryGal

I was really hoping I was wrong about this...

Now I have to talk to my pastor friend...


196 posted on 09/10/2006 3:15:26 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: Just mythoughts
Never heard of your "Seven Deadly Sins",

Now it all makes sense to me.

The one you committed and professed is known as "Pride", since presumption is an element.

God gave you a brain. Use it.

197 posted on 09/10/2006 3:53:38 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Plutarch

Properly defined it is merely a hypothesis.

You caught me in a generous mood.


198 posted on 09/10/2006 4:36:27 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh
Properly defined [the theory of evolution] is merely a hypothesis.

Incorrect. See post #23.

199 posted on 09/10/2006 4:47:10 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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Kansas prime 200!
200 posted on 09/10/2006 4:48:01 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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