Hambali taken to Cuba for trial

The Australian ^ | September 08, 2006 | Geoff Elliott

[Lorianne]

HAMBALI, the mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombing, has been transferred to Guantanamo Bay in Cuba from a secret CIA prison and is expected to face a military trial. For more than two years since Thai authorities captured Hambali, also known as Riduan Isamuddin, and handed him over to US authorities, the Bush administration has refused to comment on his whereabouts.

But President George W.Bush admitted yesterday that Hambali, Jemaah Islamiah's operational commander and senior al-Qa'ida leader, had been held in a secret CIA detention system outside the US - believed to be in eastern Europe - along with 13 other high-level terrorist operatives. These included 9/11 masterminds Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

Mr Bush said they would all now face justice, which critics have argued is long overdue.

But in stunning detail yesterday, having declassified the information hours before, the President revealed in a televised address from the White House that it was only the CIA's use of controversial "tough" interrogation techniques of other detainees that led the US to Hambali, among other high-level targets.

Aside from sleep deprivation and exposure to extreme heat and cold, CIA interrogators are known to have employed a technique known as "waterboarding", which convinces a captive they are drowning.

[kinoxi]

the mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombing

If he is of no more use ,I have no objection to killing him.

[navyblue]

Okay. Let me say right off that I do not have any sympathy for these terrorists. If I were to have my way, they would be tried and executed 2 minutes after being captured

That being said, somebody please explain to me how the U.S. has jurisdiction over them. They are not U.S, citizens, and their crimes were perpetrated in another sovereign country.

Always willing to be enlightened by my fellow freepers.

[Gay State Conservative]

It'd be a shame if this scumbag was shot while escaping.That would break my heart.

[Gay State Conservative]

Perhaps he's committed crimes other than Bali.Or perhaps there was at least one US citizen killed in Bali.Or maybe we're just acting on behalf of a good ally,Australia,about 200 of whose citizens were killed in Bali.

[JimSEA]

They are not U.S, citizens, and their crimes were perpetrated in another sovereign country.

The crimes were against American as well a others. I would also just mention that this is a world war against terror and the spiritual leader of the Southeast Asian Jemaah Islamiyah terrorist group, Cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, who was tried in Indonesia, is walking free and instigating the murder of non-Muslims, particularly Americans, Christians, and Buddhists.

[Frank_2001]

And bury Hambali with a ham sandwich;)

[Reily]

One could make the same argument against the Nuremberg Trials and I did believe some did. I am always reluctant to use legal arguments in regard to terrorist because it puts us in the same camp as the democrats in combating terrorism. Democrats (at least those democrats who want to actually put up any fight at all! ) view the struggle against terrorists & terrorism as a "legal or criminal problem". That's a totally reactive approach, a bank robber is not a criminal until he robs a bank, so for democrats a terrorist is a misguided individual until he commits an act of terror. Now that means you do nothing or nothing effective until you have been attacked. This has actually been the USG policy for probably 20+ years it resulted in 9/11. The USG has had the "alphabet agencies" operate counter-terrorism organizations for those 20+ years. All they ever did was watch & catalog terrorist groups like they were some exotic but dangerous group animals. I for one think the passive approach has failed ! It is a too dangerous option in the modern world considering the array of mass casualty choices a group could get their hands on. The Bush administration is the first to actually be aggressive. (I don't call the occasional bombing run or chucking a couple of cruise missiles around aggressive action !). Unfortunately like I have stated on this forum before, the Bush administration still choose active aggressive action with small capital letters & number 6 font! It took an attack on US soil to even get the USG to do that much! It might take another mass casualty attack to put enough fire in our belly to actually press the issue with hard cold will it needs. Also an attack under the right circumstances, spun right by the MSM also might make us Spain.

[AmericaUnited]

which convinces a captive they are drowning.

I'd like to see them come up with some technique that convinces them they are falling from a burning 110 story building...

[naturalman1975]

Perhaps he's committed crimes other than Bali.Or perhaps there was at least one US citizen killed in Bali.Or maybe we're just acting on behalf of a good ally,Australia,about 200 of whose citizens were killed in Bali.

Yes, indeed, there were US citizens killed in the Bali bombings - seven of them. So I would definitely say the US has an interest.

88 Australians died (out of 202 total casualties) and I would like to see Hambali tried in Australia - except for one issue. We don't have capital punishment here. The US does. And he deserves to die.

[naturalman1975]

That being said, somebody please explain to me how the U.S. has jurisdiction over them. They are not U.S, citizens, and their crimes were perpetrated in another sovereign country.

Karri Casner, 23
Megan Heffernan, 28
Robert McCormick, 30
George Milligan, 23
Deborah Lea Snodgrass, 33
Steven Webster, 41
Jake Young, 34

All killed 10/12/2002, Bali, Indonesia.

All US citizens.

[naturalman1975]

IN MEMORIAM

Australia

Gayle Airlie, 47, Maroubra, NSW
Belinda Allen, 23, Wheelers Hill, VIC
Renae Anderson, 30, Caringbah, NSW
Peter Basioli, 44, Byford, WA
Christine Betmalik, 29, Croydon, NSW
Matthew Bolwerk, 27, Secret Harbour, WA
Debbie Borgia, 45, Tempe, NSW
Abbey Borgia, 13, Tempe, NSW
Geraldine Buchan, 46, Chifley, NSW
Steven Buchan, 47, Chifley, NSW
Chloe Byron, 15, North Bondi, NSW
Anthony Cachia, 33, Reservoir, VIC
Rebecca Cartledge, 20, Nunawading, VIC
Bronwyn Cartwright, 28, Hawthorn, VIC
Jodie Cearns, 35, Brisbane, QLD
Jane Corteen, 39, Bicton, WA
Jenny Corteen, 39, Fremantle, WA
Paul Cronin, 31, Forbes, NSW
Donna Croxford, 36, Port Melbourne, VIC
Kristen Curnow, 27, Bendigo, VIC
Francoise (Franny) Dahan, 30, Caringbah, NSW
Sylvia Dalais, 55, Seddon, VIC
Josh Deegan, 22, Adelaide, SA
Andrew Dobson, 40, Armadale, WA
Michelle Dunlop, 30, Menai, NSW
Craig Dunn, 18, Ulladulla, NSW
Shane Foley, 34, Coogee, NSW
Dean Gallagher, 19, Perth, WA
Jared Gane, 27, Gold Coast, QLD
Angela Golotta, 19, Adelaide, SA
Angela Gray, 31, Bendigo, VIC
Byron Hancock, 22, Perth, WA
Simone Hanley, 28, Cronulla, NSW
James Hardman, 28, Sydney, NSW
Billy Hardy, 20, Tweed Heads, NSW
Nicole Harrison, 29, Perth, WA
Tim Hawkins, 29, Hobart, TAS
Andrea Hore, 38, Albury, NSW
Adam Howard, 26, Centennial Park, NSW
Joshua Iliffe, 28, Kensington, NSW
Carol Johnstone, 35, Busselton, WA
David Kent, 41, ex QLD
Dimmy Kotranakis, 27, Blacktown, NSW
Elizabeth Kotranakis, 33, Blacktown, NSW
Aaron Lee, 34, Geelong, VIC
Justin Lee, 31, Geelong, VIC
Stacey Lee, 30, Geelong, VIC
Danny Lewis, 19, Ulladulla, NSW
Scott Lysaght, 33, Wollongong, NSW
Linda Makawana, 49, Kiama, NSW
Sue Maloney, 40, Elwood, VIC
Bob Marshall, 68, Adelaide, SA
David Mavroudis, 31, Wagga Wagga, NSW
Lynette McKeon, 46, Kincumber, NSW
Marissa McKeon, 14, Kincumber, NSW
Jenny Murphy, 40, Wangaratta, VIC
Amber O'Donnell, 27, Keysborough, VIC
Jessica O'Donnell, 21, Nunawading, VIC
Sue Ogier, 35, Frankston, VIC
Jodie O'Shea, 29, Como, NSW
Corey Paltridge, 20, Perth, WA
Brad Ridley, 32, Forbes, NSW
Ben Roberts, 28, Sydney, NSW
Bronwyn Ross, 32, Carrum Downs, VIC
David Ross, 20, Perth, WA
Kathy Salvatori, 37, Malabar, NSW
Greg Sanderson, 24, Forbes, NSW
Cathy Seelin, 45, Malabar, NSW
Lee Sexton, 46, Perth, WA
Tom Singer, 17, Maroubra, NSW
Julie Stevenson, 35, Maroubra, NSW
Anthony Stewart, 29, Werribee, VIC
Jason Stokes, 31, Bullsbrook, WA
Behic Sumer, 43, Kings Langley, NSW
Nathan Swain, 24, Earlville, QLD
Tracy Thomas, 41, Inglewood, Perth, WA
Clint Thompson, 29, Kensington, NSW
Robert Thwaites, 24, Gold Coast, QLD
Charles Vanrenen, 26, living in Hong Kong.
Jonathon Wade, 21, Perth, WA
Vanessa Walder, 40, Carnegie, VIC
Jodi Wallace, 29, Gymea, NSW
Shane Walsh-Till, 32, born in Leeton, NSW
Robyn Webster, 44, Marrickville, NSW
Marlene Whiteley, 42, Frankston, VIC
Charmaine Whitton, 29, Bangor, NSW
Gerard Yeo, 20, Coogee, NSW
Louiza Zervos, 33, Marrickville, NSW

United Kingdom

Tim Arnold, 43
Neil Bowler, 28
Daniel Braden, 28
Chris Bradford, 38
Jon Ellwood, 38
Lucy Empson, 30
Ian Findley, 55
Emma Fox, 32
Laura France, 18
Marc Gajardo, 30
Thomas Edward Hanby-Holmes, 39
Christopher Kays, 32
Annika Linden, 30
Nathaniel (Dan) Miller, 31
Natalie Perkins, 20
Peter Record, 32
Christian Redman, 30
Stephen James Speirs, 36
Michael Standring, 31
Edward Waller, 26
Clive Walton, 33
Douglas Warner, 35

United States

Karri Casner, 23
Megan Heffernan, 28
Robert McCormick, 30
George Milligan, 23
Deborah Lea Snodgrass, 33
Steven Webster, 41
Jake Young, 34

Sweden

Johanna Bergander, 41
Ulrika Louise Gustafsson, 19
Karin Maria Urika Johansson, 29
Linda Kronquist, 23
Lena Rafling, 23

Germany

Bettina Christina Brandes, 28
Udo Paul Hauke, 42
Angelika Kohnke, 44
Alexandra Koppke, 28
Claudie Dietlinde Theile, 31
Marie-Cecile Wendt, 24

The Netherlands

Norbert Edgar Freriks, 35
Sander Harskamp, 23
Mark Antonio Schippers, 25
Marjanne Van Lijnen Noomen, 27

Denmark

Laerke Cecilie Bodker, 21
Annette Jensen, 22
Lise Knudsen, 19

New Zealand

Jared Gane, 27
Mark Parker, 27
James Wellington, 31

France

Guillaume Breant, 29
Lionel Henri Erisey, 31
Manuel Mordelet, 32
Anthony Jean Underwood, 28

South Africa

Godfrey Fitz, 39
Craig Harty, 35

Switzerland

Pascal Michael Dolf, 25
Sereina Liesch, 20
Gian Andrea Ruup, 24

Japan

Kosuke Suzuki, 34
Yuka Suzuki, 33

South Korea

Eun-Jung Moon, 29
Eun-Young Moon, 31

Brazil

Marco Antonio Farias, 24
Alexandre Moraes Watake, 33

Canada

Rick Gleason, 38
Mervin Popadynec, 38

Italy

Roberto Antonio Sbironi, 51

Greece

Dimitris Panagoulas, 27

Taiwan

Hui-Min (Eve) Kuo, 24

Portugal

Diogo Ribeirinho, 20

Equador

Marcillo Ana Cecilia Aviles, 42

Poland

Danuta Beata Pawlak, 45

Indonesia

Rudy Armansyah, 29
Rahmat Arsoyo
Gusti Artini
Gede Badrawan, 32
Komang Candra, 28
Ketut Cindra, 35
Tata Duka, 28
Sulaiman Endang, 32
Faturrahman
Hanny, 23
Jon Juniardi, 33
Mochamad Khotib, 52
Ni Kade Alit Margarini
Made Mertana, 35
Mugianto, 32
Aris Munandar, 27
Kadek Ngartina, 21
Mawa Nyoman, 40
Kadek Beni Prima
Lilis Puspita, 35
Imawan Sarjono, 33
Ati Savitri, 35
Jonathan Simanjuntak, 27
Salwindar Singh, 34
Achmad Suharto, 38
Elly Susanti Suharto, 40
Agus Suheri, 27
Made Sujana, 37
Wayan Sukadana, 36
Kadek Sukerna
Ketut Sumarawat, 29
Wayan Tamba, 32
Destria Bimo Adhi Wibowo
Widayati, 30
Made Wija
Ketut Nana Wijaya, 28
Made Wijaya, 39
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