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Men Better Suited for War, Research Finds
Reuters ^ | Friday, Sept. 8, 2006 12:28 a.m. EDT | Reuters

Posted on 09/08/2006 12:52:18 PM PDT by andyk

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To: andyk

Give that professor a raise.

He has made a stunning discovery.


141 posted on 09/08/2006 8:17:39 PM PDT by sandra_789
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To: oldleft
Seriously, I'm 6'3" 250 pounds and have completed Ironman triathlons. When I was in my 20's I could run a sub-eleven second 100. I doubt many women can say the same.

I don't know what that proves, other than that you are/were in great shape.

My fiancé is a small man, a career officer, who has always weighed about 10st (less than 140lbs). He is retired from one of the British Special Service Regts. You know what those are, right? Do you know what their training consists of?

I can't discuss what he is doing now, only that he is with the British army on the front in Afghanistan. Most women I know weigh more than he does, and many are taller. Size isn't everything.

142 posted on 09/08/2006 9:29:57 PM PDT by Fiona Smythe ( the sodjer's burd)
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To: andyk
You'd certainly think this would be in chapter one of the book of "Duh!"

Mark

143 posted on 09/08/2006 9:38:45 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: andyk
And in other breaking news, water is still wet.
144 posted on 09/08/2006 10:00:06 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Spktyr
It is true that non-primates don't seem to conduct total warfare against another group of the same species, but that doesn't mean that individuals don't kill each other.

Ever see colonies of ants go at it? Talk about "Carthage Protocols"....

the infowarrior

145 posted on 09/08/2006 11:47:47 PM PDT by infowarrior (The GOP runs the US, the Dems run their mouths... Freeper HardStarboard)
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To: Finny
That Frazetta piece is one of the most incredible paintings ever!! It's called the "Death Dealer," isn't it? I'm not sure, but man ... what a nice piece of artwork. Can you imagine how gorgeous the original is!!!

That is, indeed, "The Death Dealer", by Frank Frazetta, one of my favorite artists...

the infowarrior

146 posted on 09/08/2006 11:55:19 PM PDT by infowarrior (The GOP runs the US, the Dems run their mouths... Freeper HardStarboard)
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To: Spktyr
Since then, women have flickered in and around the edges of the battlefield (until the last two centuries, always as archers)

Not always... Celtic women recieved the same military education as girls that Celtic men received as boys, and took it quite seriously. The only major difference lay in the fact that Celtic women usually only "took the field" in defense of the home turf, and seldom, if ever, went on the more agressive raid the other guys scenarios. They held their own on defense, though, and were accorded a far more equal stature in their culture than most premodern cultures...

the infowarrior

147 posted on 09/09/2006 12:01:56 AM PDT by infowarrior (The GOP runs the US, the Dems run their mouths... Freeper HardStarboard)
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To: Reagan79
Yeah back in the good old days men did the yardwork and women the housework. Now men do the yardwork and half of the housework : (

Where I'm from woman do 99.9% of both.

148 posted on 09/09/2006 12:07:23 AM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: infowarrior

I wasn't including the insects. As one writer once put it with regards to insects, "there has been an unrelenting state of warfare there for millions of years."

The OP was confining herself to mammals, so I did the same. :)


149 posted on 09/09/2006 7:49:26 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: infowarrior

As I said, though - when those women came in contact with Roman heavy infantry, the Romans won - almost invariably.


150 posted on 09/09/2006 7:51:05 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: CobaltBlue
It's not necessarily positive news. If men weren't so good at war, we wouldn't have so many wars. But human nature is what it is.

I would argue that women are the cause of wars

They have the babies and demand that their men obtain the resources needed to feed them. By whatever means necessary.

You see it in the "inner cities" in its most raw form. The most popular guys with the women are the drug dealers with all the cash, not the guy who works night shift at the local convenience store

151 posted on 09/09/2006 7:59:14 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Fiona Smythe
I can't discuss what he is doing now, only that he is with the British army on the front in Afghanistan. Most women I know weigh more than he does, and many are taller. Size isn't everything.

You're quite right, size isn't everything. I'm a big guy, way out of shape, but even when I was in good shape from playing lacrosse in college, some of the little guys on the wrestling team could easily have taken me out. They also had better long distance endurance, since they weren't carrying as much of "themselves" around as I was. :-)

I had a friend many years ago who was about the same size as your finance... He was a sergeant in the special forces, and a "Pathfinder," meaning that one of his jobs was to secure a drop or landing zone. If that job doesn't get done, he and his team are on their own... So, it wasn't unusual for him to make combat jumps wearing gear that actually weighed more than he did without it!

Mark

152 posted on 09/09/2006 8:55:19 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I think you're mistaken. There are one-woman men, and one-man women, and that is the type that will form a bond.

The type of woman attracted to a drug dealer with lots of cash is anybody's punch.


153 posted on 09/09/2006 10:02:42 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Spktyr

Celtic men were defeated by the Romans, as well. According to Tacitus, 400 Romans died defeating 80,000 Britons at the Battle of Watling Street.

Maybe an exaggeration but had nothing to do with the gender of the fighters. Romans had better military skills.

But very little of Roman invention was devoted to war, despite your argument. Road building, aqueduct building, their laws, were devoted to peace and trade.

America's most important inventions over the centuries have been devoted to law, government, architecture, agriculture, navigation, transportation, medicine, space exploration, communication . . . . sure, we're good at war but that's not what made us great.

We didn't invent planes, trains, and automobiles to wage war. The military adapted these inventions to their use, not vice versa.


154 posted on 09/09/2006 10:10:53 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue

Sorry, you're wrong. Trade was not the primary function of most Roman infrastructure.

The primary purpose of the roads was to get Roman infantry to distant parts of the empire quickly, not trade. The purpose of the Roman aqueducts was to provide cities under siege with a secure water supply. Most Roman law was originally promulgated by or for soldiers. The very word "salary" comes from the amount of salt in which a Roman soldier was paid. You need to study your history a bit closer.

You are also wrong in your American history.

The interstate system was built to get American troops around the US quickly - instigated after Eisenhower saw the autobahn and old Roman road systems in Europe. The space program was originally a military endeavor. The very Internet we're communicating on was created because of the Cold War. Medicine? Penicillin was not adopted until WW2, and only because of the war. Transportation? The government was funding early airplane studies, and quickly bought the Wright flyer for observation of enemy forces. The first major use of aircraft, and the one that really advanced the art, was World War I. World War 2 jumped aircraft design ahead light years - we started the war with wood and cloth biplanes and ended the war with jets! Navigation? The lensatic compass was a military invention, as is GPS. War *is* what has advanced America, far more than peace.


155 posted on 09/09/2006 12:05:03 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

You don't seem to have a very firm grasp on the history of jet aircraft, penicillin, or even interstate highways. Like countless other peaceful inventions, they were adapted for the use of the military during warfare. No reason why they shouldn't be used by the military, but the military didn't invent them.

But, to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


156 posted on 09/09/2006 3:16:32 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: andyk; Petronski

Anyone mention football yet in this thread? Let me see :D


157 posted on 09/10/2006 8:25:47 AM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: MarkL
You're quite right, size isn't everything. I'm a big guy, way out of shape, but even when I was in good shape from playing lacrosse in college, some of the little guys on the wrestling team could easily have taken me out. They also had better long distance endurance, since they weren't carrying as much of "themselves" around as I was. :-)

It really is a matter of individual ability. The importance that genetics (even gender genetics) play in an individual's suitability to do a job or task depends on the individual and nature of the job/task itself.

Some of the men here ought to look up Boadicea, the Iceni queen and Cartimandua, warrior queen of the Brigantes. Then there are the brilliant administrators, like Elizabeth I and Maggie Thatcher. There is nothing new or modern about strong women who work to better their families' circumstances and to improve the conditions in their communities, even fighting when necessary.

158 posted on 09/10/2006 4:44:27 PM PDT by Fiona Smythe ( the sodjer's burd)
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To: Fiona Smythe

I see your point, but mine was that women and men are physically different. Even a small special forces guy can hump 30 miles in a day with 100 pounds on his back. There may be some women who can do that, but not very many.


159 posted on 09/11/2006 6:32:29 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: SLB; Cannoneer No. 4; Darksheare

Surprise, surprise.


160 posted on 09/17/2006 6:20:39 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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