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A Giuliani Conservative
Tilts at Religion
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| September 6 2006
| Niall Stanage
Posted on 09/06/2006 9:13:55 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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Ive just been impatient over the last six years, she told The Observer. I dont remember anything like this current assumption that candidates should talk about their relationship with God. What is that supposed to tell citizens?
To: Reagan Man
Giuliani's GOP:
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:15:30 AM PDT
by
TommyDale
(Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
To: Reagan Man
When the President names Jesus Christ as his favorite political philosopher, uses a sly phrase like wonder-working power during a manifestly political occasion like a State of the Union address or invokes God in support of his decisions in Iraq, he seeks, at the minimum, to give his agenda a religious veneer.(1) The question was about one's favorite philosopher, not one's favorite political philosopher.
(2) Is the author really suggesting that President Bush should avoid the rhetorical tropes employed by President Lincoln?
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:19:03 AM PDT
by
wideawake
("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
To: Reagan Man
viewed with suspicion by the religious right because of his pro-choice, pro-civil-union positionsCaptain Obvious was here. Not to mention he's a gun-grabber.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:21:03 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
To: Reagan Man
curry favor with a voting bloc that will play a crucial role in electing the Republican Presidential candidate in 2008. At least she is willing to admit who will be choosing the Republican nominee for Pres. I would suggest Rudy and others remember that.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:21:18 AM PDT
by
yellowdoghunter
(Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
To: Tax-chick
"Not to mention he's a gun-grabber."
you beat me to it....
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:22:45 AM PDT
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: wideawake
Is the author really suggesting that President Bush should avoid the rhetorical tropes employed by President Lincoln?Sure. Only politicians who don't let their professed faith influence their political positions are allowed to mention God in public. (Several former presidents spring to mind ...)
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:23:11 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
To: Tax-chick
I am really quite shocked that people even think Rudy has a chance of getting the Rep. nominee for Pres. He has a much better change of getting the Dem. nominee for Pres.
However, I am not to worried about having to face voting for Rudy in '08, I just do not think it is a possibility.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:23:16 AM PDT
by
yellowdoghunter
(Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
To: taxed2death
RKBA is not a specifically "religious right" issue, but it's more than enough to keep me from voting for the man for any national office.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:24:22 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
To: yellowdoghunter
I am not too worried about having to face voting for Rudy in '08No, I'm not, either.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:24:59 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
To: Tax-chick
It just irks me when someone can walk around 24 / 7 with armed security guards.....yet they won't allow or trust me with a firearm to protect myself and my loved ones. Something seems distinctly "un-American" about that.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:27:34 AM PDT
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: Reagan Man
They ground their ideas in rational thinking and (nonreligious) moral argument. And the conservative movement is crippling itself by leaning too heavily on religion to the exclusion of these temperamentally compatible allies.
This is because, in part, the number of non-believing conservatives is dwarfed by the number of believing conservatives.
Politicians, like Willie Sutton looking for money in banks, go where the votes are. If you're a conservative, it's with believers.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:30:30 AM PDT
by
sitetest
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
To: Reagan Man
Ms. Mac Donald admiringly told The Observer that the former Mayor "never invoked God, but transformed this city in ways that couldn't have been imagined."That's a pretty bold statement by Mac Donald. How does she know? You mean to tell me that Rudy never prayed for guidance, especially during and after 9/11? He never prayed for strength to lead the city out of it's crime infestation?
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:31:57 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
To: Reagan Man
Michael Pakaluk has complained that Ms. Mac Donald's "mockery of common religious sensibilities
is so unfeeling as to border on the inhuman." Michael Pakaluk lies down to recover from his attack of the vapors.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:32:51 AM PDT
by
steve-b
("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
To: Reagan Man
"Giuliani Conservative..." April Fools was months ago.
The invocation of religion in support of political beliefs is, above all else, a dangerously effective tool for foreclosing debate, discouraging scrutiny and suggesting that ones opponents lack moral fiber.
The battle of ideas should be fought with the weapons of reason and logic alone.
This is precisely where the Objectivists fall down. Elevating belief in rationalism (objectivism) to the exclusion of a belief in God is just fooling yourself.
Normally, I like MacDonald, but she's off the deep end (as is the "author" of this screed) on this one.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:37:06 AM PDT
by
sauropod
(Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
To: Reagan Man
When the President names Jesus Christ as his favorite political philosopher,This is an lie. From the December 13th Des Moines debate 1999:
BACHMAN: Governor Bush, a philosopher thinker and why.
BUSH: Christ, because he changed my heart.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:38:21 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
To: sauropod
This is precisely where the Objectivists fall down. Elevating belief in rationalism (objectivism) to the exclusion of a belief in God is just fooling yourself.Amen.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:39:16 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
To: sitetest
"Without God, there is no virtue, because there's no prompting of the conscience. Without God, we're mired in the material, that flat world that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."---- President Ronald Reagan, Prayer Breakfast 1984
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:39:35 AM PDT
by
Reagan Man
(Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
To: Reagan Man
When the President names Jesus Christ as his favorite political philosopher, uses a sly phrase like wonder-working power during a manifestly political occasion like a State of the Union address or invokes God in support of his decisions in Iraq, he seeks, at the minimum, to give his agenda a religious veneer. Christians are not to relegate God to the closet under lock and key.
This is why John Kerry is no good. He is supposedly Catholic but votes for abortion.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:43:08 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
To: Reagan Man
What is that supposed to tell citizens?
That it matters.
Such talk might just be read-my-lips syndrome, but it's calculated, reasonable, and logical all the same--even if it's not coming from the heart. They know the constituency for whom it matters.
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posted on
09/06/2006 9:44:32 AM PDT
by
cornelis
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