1. Words have meaning.
2. Madison's opinions have no relevance in the absence of ambiguity. The Tenth Amendment is not ambiguous.
3. Get some reading lessons and dive into Amendment Ten once again. You will figure it out eventually.
4. After the reading lessons, get around to reading the Articles of Confederation on the subject of what was necessary to amend or replace same.
5. Fort Sumter ceased to be federal territory on the day of South Carolina's secession. On that day, the people of South Carolina ceased to be subject to "union" law and NOTHING in the TEXT of the constitution says otherwise. Further, the later enactment would control over the earlier enactment IF they disagree. The Tenth Amendment, in the event of any conflict, controls over the rigging constitution. If you are a lawyer, you know that. If not, you know it now. Subsequently the "union" responded by murdering many thousands of them and both destroying and stealing their property as punishment for resisting the "union" invasion (as in the other ten Confederate states) Union military trespassers were able to stop trespassing on sovereign territory of South Carolina but failed to do so.
6. Fort Pickens ceased to be federal territory on the day that Florida seceded. Union military trespassers were free to stop trespassing on sovereign territory of Florida.
7. If any of 1-6 make no sense to you, get more reading lessons as necessary until you understand the printed word.
8. If Stonewall Jackson had lived to participate at Gettysburg, Lincoln probably would have had to use his best rhetorical skill to avoid the hangman's noose for presiding over the utterly illegal and unjustified attack on the Confederate States of America, the wanton slaughter of its people and the reckless campaign of property destruction waged by Sherman in his campaign of war crimes to the sea.
9. I am still waiting for you to provide the language of the TEXT of the constitution that prohibits secession in spite of the clear and unambiguous language of the Tenth Amendment. Of course, I shall continue waiting since there is NO SUCH CONSTITUTIONAL TEXT prohibiting secession any more than there is constitutional language to guarantee a right to slaughter unborn children, to require that Bruce and Lance be allowed to "marry" one another whatever mere state laws might provide, much less to adopt children together, to allow the federales to create pervert "rights" or to grant to the federales any sayso whatsoever over gummint misedjamakashun, among many other matters.
10. Lincoln arose from the big government Whig Party which succeeded the long discredited Federalist Party. In his one and only term in Congress, he disgraced himself on the matter of the Mexican War by standing in the well of the House whining away with flapdoodle to the effect that: "This chamber stands knee deep in blood....", blah, blah, blah, a speech ripped off (without attribution) by no other than George McGovern in his insane rants against the efforts of our government to prevent communist control of Vietnam. Then, twelve years or so later, elected with 39% of the vote in a four-way race and by a majority of electoral college votes, Lincoln eagerly dived into presiding over the greatest martial bloodbath in American history.
11. One may argue (as Lincoln did not) that Lincoln was waging war to end slavery or one may argue (as Lincoln did not) that he was waging war to uphold protective tariffs or one may argue (as Lincoln did to the New York Herald Tribune) that Lincoln waged war to "preserve the union" which no longer included eleven departed states regardless of the outcome as to slavery.
12. Of course, if he was "preserving" the union, why did the eleven states have to be readmitted to a union that Lincoln (and you) argued they could not leave? How could those states be required to ratify any constitutional amendments (13, 14 and 15) as a "condition" of "readmission" to the union which they supposedly could not leave? If he was "preserving" the union, how did he justify the naval blockade when international law does not allow the blockade of a nation's own ports? If, understandably, you are as actually eager to look for constitutional text which prohibits secession rights guaranteed by the plain and unambiguous language of Amendment Ten as O. J. Simpson is to find Nicole's actual killer on golf courses throughout the world, chew on those three questions. 13. Defeating communism was a real war against slavery on a world wide level. Reagan won. Lincoln would have smooched their red derrieres. He resisted fighting Santa Ana. (There may have been respectable reasons to resist that but Lincoln's reasons were nothing more than the usual anti-war drivel more common in our own age).
14. Republicans should recognize that Lincoln has little to do with the modern Republican Party and much to do with modern Demonrat heresies; that Jefferson and Jackson underlie Republicanism today as Hamilton and Lincoln underlie the centralized power and taxmania that are the false gods of the Demonrats.
15. It was also the judicial tyranny of Federalist "dead hand of the past" Chief Justice John Marshall that planted the time bomb that SCOTUS has become by inventing out of whole cloth the SCOTUS "power" to overturn legislation as "unconstitutional."
16. Jefferson: "That government governs best which governs least." Suggesting: Best of all....not at all????? The failure to attain quorums simply illustrates the reason for quorum rules. On those rare occasions when legislation was necessary, quorums could be attained.
17. Given that you attempt in vain to defend the likes of Lincoln on a conservative website, I am supposed to care as to your opinions of my posts because.........??????
18. Another question: Are you a product of gummint skewels as is suggested by your historical analysis or whatever that is??????
19. Take your screenname as your guideline and you will stop embarassing yourself.
1 Words do have meaning but nonsense has none.
2 The tenth amendment is entirely ambiguous and represents rhetoric more than law. It is the bastard stepchild of the constitution. Madison's words were not at all ambiguous and were addressed PRECISELY at the possibility of secession and "conditional ratification" when they were raised at the NY state ratification convention. Hamilton had almost given up and raised the possibility of accepting the ratification with conditions and allowing future withdrawal. Jimmy's letter bucked up Alex and he proceeded to accomplish one of the greatest political transformations and victories in history. Conversion of a two to one opposition by political operatives of Clinton was nothing less than that.
3 Amendment Ten was a reassurance that state police power and regulations which affected ONLY the internal operations of a state and only its people were not to be interfered with. Nothing which affected ANY other states or the Union was covered by the amendment but by the Supremacy Clause.
4 Had the Constitution been an unacceptable amendment to the Articles A. Congress could have rejected it or B. the People could have rejected it. Hence silly sophistries such as the People had no right to make such a decision go nowhere.
5 Apparently your version of the Constitution is missing Article I Section 10 - "States prohibited from the exercise of certain powers.
1. No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.
2. No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing its inspection laws; and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.
3. No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in a war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.
What could be clear than that the states were in no way fully sovereign nor that the PEREQUISITE powers of sovereignty were removed from the "powers" mentioned in the Tenth.
6 Florida had ZERO authority to secede being entirely the creation of Union money and blood and an Act of Congress. It couldn't even PRETEND that it "reserved" the "right" to secede.
7 1-6 are the same lame pretenses to reason that the Defenders of Slaverocracy trot out on every discussion of the RAT Rebellion they are pathetic illustrations of the lingering influence of greed, dementia and blind arrogance.
There are probably some who still try and justify Nazism as well. This attack upon the greatest government and nation the world has ever seen ranks with the greatest misadventures in history
8 Bismarck remarked that God had a special place in his heart for fools, drunks and the United States. That regard was illustrated by the defeat of the Treason of the Slavers and their minions. Tyranny would never again raise its ugly head within our borders.
9 A constitution is a FOUNDING document not an agglomeration of laws. It cannot be abrogated unilaterally.
Even a mere contract cannot be. Such an Act of the American People is outside the control of any Authority by individual states. It can be changed ONLY by amendment not armed force.
10 The "big" government in 1860 was TINY. Its army INSIGNIFICANT. He understood that the Mexican War would encourage the Slavers and he was correct in his comments. I disagree with him about taking Texas but he was telling the truth. None of that has anything to do with his future greatness. A Titan in the war for Liberty and a genius rarely approached in world history.
11 Of course, by not allowing the Insurrection of the Slavers and their dupes. The Constitution has no meaning if insurrections are allowed to succeed and states are allowed to violate every aspect of Section I Article 10 among others. Your version of the Constitution has no more meaning or weight than a Moslem marriage.
12 The Illusion had to be dispelled legally. It was only high theater. He didn't want another war using other pretenses after the Southern Ruling class regained political power and reduced the new Americans to slavery once again. Unfortunately the Republicans did not carry through and the freedmen who did not flee were eventually almost reduced again to their bondage by the Democrats.
13 International law has nothing to do with putting down insurrections. Even you would not pretend that it governs internal affairs of the US.
14 No one pretends that the GOP descends from Jefferson OR Jackson particularly not Leftists and THEY hate Hamilton and always have preferred the Leftist ravings of Jefferson to Hamilton's amazing feats.
15 Article III, Section 1 "The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made under their authority;..." must also be missing from your version of the Constitution which has apparently been mutilated by weasels.
Without judicial review just how could the Court have performed its duty as outlined above?
Only those who are unfamiliar with US legal history believe that Marshall's was the first Court to rule on the constitutionality of an act of Congress. That occurred with its examination legality of the Carriage Tax. Without being able to rule on constitutionality how do you propose it could have had jurisdiction over "all" cases?
16 How deceptive to use Jefferson's words against his expressed belief that the Articles had failed and needed revision. Typical though.
17 I could care less about your opinion of my opinion. however your misconceptions, illusions, distortions and misinformation will not stand when I see them. All attempts to weaken The United States of America will draw my response whether it is lauding past Treachery or present.
18 I have attended public and private schools but am the product of none. If your lame-brained "thinking" came from a private school education your parents were cheated. The public schools I attended were staffed by teachers typical of the South hence I grew up on the Myth of the Noble Cause and was filled with Secesh garbage thought. Unfortunately, you never learned enough to realize it is garbage.
19 You cannot even recognize embarrassment or you would not have posted the trivial crap you have.