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To: justshutupandtakeit
There was no right of any state to secede except in the minds of demented Slavers who attacked the American nation.

The revolutionary war was a war of secession. So was the civil war. I guess it depends on whether you win or not.

51 posted on 09/06/2006 2:51:44 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: TradicalRC

"The revolutionary war was a war of secession. So was the civil war. I guess it depends on whether you win or not."

Correct.
Winning is everything.

"Conquest grants a title which the courts of the conqueror are bound to respect." - John Marshall, Chief Justice of the United States.


52 posted on 09/06/2006 6:58:04 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (The Crown is amused.)
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To: TradicalRC

Not really. There was no government erected with the consent of the governed in 1776. There were Royal Governors appointed by the King answerable ONLY to him in most of the colonies. All were governed by charters the people had no day in creating or approving. There was NO representation in the legistature. No accountability at all.

In 1861 there was a constitutional government created and approved by the American People. There were states with constitutionally elected governors and legislatures answerable ONLY to the people and representing ONLY the people. There was NO oppression of the South. Indeed, the leaders of the Nation had been Southern by an large margin, the legislature had been controlled by the South for almost our entire history, the Courts were dominated by Southern justices.

There is NO valid comparision equating conditions in 1776 and 1861. Nice try at moral equivalency though.


53 posted on 09/07/2006 8:00:42 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: TradicalRC; justshutupandtakeit
TRC: Justshutupandtakeit is trying to make thee and me agree in public. How bad must he/she/whatever be??????

If you won't tell your folks, I won't tell mine. Just kidding!

Of course, in this instance, we are both following the exemplary lead of Blessed Pius IX, who loved Jeff Davis and fashioned for Davis with his own hands a crown of thorns which was delivered to Davis while he was briefly imprisoned as the "union" figured out that no jury would convict him of anything and that they did not dare use a drumhead military tribunal against a man so well respected.

55 posted on 09/07/2006 9:18:26 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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