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To: NormsRevenge

No matter what Schwartz may WANT, or have SAID, the people of California made it CLEAR in the special Referendums that they WANT more Socialism, and they WANT unions to control thier futures....

Every time he has tried to hold the line, he has been beaten unmercifully by both the press, and the VOTERS....

It's unfortunate that Conservatives are a minority in California, but the residents seem determined to walk the path of debt and doom.

I say we need to cut-n-run from the unmanageable quagmire before it costs any more money and lives....


260 posted on 09/04/2006 10:41:47 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: tcrlaf
Every time he has tried to hold the line, he has been beaten unmercifully by both the press, and the VOTERS....

Absolute bovine feces. The press celebrated his first act when he borrowed his way out of a cash flow bind with Prop 58. He promised to "cut up the credit cards" and had 60% approval ratings. It was only when it became apparent he had no intention of keeping his promises to control spending that his reputation began to slide. His ballot propositions, supposedly directed toward that end, were proven by the LAO to be hardly such.

261 posted on 09/04/2006 10:46:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Angelides v. Schwarzenegger is like deciding between ebola and cancer, respectively.)
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To: tcrlaf

cut-n-run from the unmanageable quagmire

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cut-n-run to where?

If it is not fought here, it is only a matter of time before it will follow and engulf the rest of the country.


283 posted on 09/05/2006 10:06:57 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: tcrlaf
No matter what Schwartz may WANT, or have SAID, the people of California made it CLEAR in the special Referendums that they WANT more Socialism

That's utter nonsense! The people who voted against the initiatives did so for a variety of reasons. These were 4 totally unrelated propositions. I voted for some and against some. Opposition to more borrowing (buried in Prop 76) or opposition to an unelected, unaccountable body to select new districts (Prop 77) was certainly NOT endorsing Socialism.

The campaign was lost because they created bogus polls and then believed their own garbage. Then, they ran a totally inept arrogant campaign that did nothing to inform the electorate but alienated a huge number of voters. In desperation, they even resorted to scare tactics like "Vote for Proposition 76 or I will have to raise taxes" which, in retrospect, was totally ludicrous as only a few months later they announced new revenues of about $5 Billion. As predicted before the election was over, the CA GOP campaign hacks decided to blame their own failure in the Special Election using the "Conservatives didn't show up" myth instead of acknowledging that they ran an inept campaign and bought into bogus polls. Apparently you bought into the myth and choose to promote it, all the way from Indiana no less!

Interview with Arnold Steinberg, Republican Strategist. November 2, 2005:

"The bottom line is that what we're seeing in this election was entirely foreseeable. The only surprise is that otherwise sharp conservatives and Republicans still fall for the line that when various public polls all look bad for our side, it's part of a liberal or left-wing conspiracy to tilt the election, and that "internals" show we're going to win. Well, I don't think the "internals" of the other side show good numbers for these ballot propositions. I hear they've been pretty unequivocal for a long time, and that the governor's ads were getting nowhere. If so, you wonder why they were kept on for so long. Increasing the media buy -- if you have the wrong messenger or message -- is not going to help. But, remember, we were told that their tracking was showing wonderful progress. If they lose all four, we should have a contest on how they'll explain their polling. Maybe it will be the old standby -- opinion shifted at the end, the last few days, and momentum was suddenly against them. More likely, they'll blame Republican voters for not coming out, as if this would be some total surprise. But major donors like to believe these arcane polling explanations, because it's easier to do so than admit they've been had. I mean, when is the last time a rich guy at the Lincoln Club admitted he was gullible and taken in by a poll that cooked the numbers?"

285 posted on 09/05/2006 12:35:27 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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