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Clearly you have no clue what Marxism is about and your just tossing the word around as sort of pejorative. SO let me adress some of your points.

Incorrect, I am well aware of what Marxism is all about.

You use the term "Liberaltarians." Thats very clever. Did you think of that all by yourself?

Yep.

Modern day liberals (as opposed to the classical use of the term) support large governments that tries to tell people how to live their lives. I see no difference between either of the two parties currently in Washington on this point except which aspects of our lives you want to regulate. And one other minor difference. Democrats support big government and high taxes to pay for it. Republicans support big government and big debt to avoid paying for it.

Rubbish. I don't know a single Libertarian who supports smoking dope. I (and most libertarians) do believe however that you have a God given right to be stupid if you wish, as long as society doesn't have to pay for your stupidity.

BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH!!!!! The Libertarian platform supports dope. Individuals should have the right to use drugs, whether for medical or recreational purposes, without fear of legal reprisals...

Thats a tough one. Many Libertarians do support that. I do not. To me abortion violates the most basic of libertarian principals. Your rights end when they intrude on someone else's. The Right to Life being foremost among those rights.

So you conceed the fact that many libertarians support murder.

Again your ignorance betrays you. We do NOT support any such thing. We believe that we (and you) have no right to impose our morality by legislation on others.

All laws legislate morality. Every single one of them. Homosexuality is a perverse evil that spreads into and destroys society as a whole. There is a reason that the very people who wrote the Constitution also went back and wrote laws in their own states to protect society from this perversity.

What someone does in private with another consenting adult is between them and God. Its none of my business. And frankly its none of yours either.

That's incorrect, because what you do in private spreads out into public. As one of our Framers stated: No man is permitted to corrupt the morals of the people; secret poison cannot be thus disseminated.

When the homos try to force by law or government action acceptance of their perverted (thats my private opinion) lifestyle on me or you or anyone else we oppose them.

No you don't. Your own platform supports redefining marriage and allowing homos to adopt playthings for their amusement.

By which you mean the morals that you happen to think everyone else should abide by. Enough said.

All laws legislate morality in one form or another. Repealing what you call "morality laws" is by default endorsement of amorality.

LMAO!!! Exactly how many libertarians have been appointing judges in this country? The only judicial activism that I have seen is by a court that has over the last half century been hell bent on aggrandizing the powers of the government to promote the interests of whichever of the two political parties happens to have been naming Supreme Court Justices. If you believe otherwise please give specific examples and not a lot of hot air.

Libertarians jumped for joy at the activist decisions of Roe and Lawerence.

I have never met a Libertarian who supports illegal immigration. But if they did they are as entitled to their opinion as you are. Thats another difference between libertarians and GOPers and DU types. When we don't agree with you we will tell you but we won;t call you names generally or resort to childish tantrums. In fact we strongly believe in your right to spout your foolish invective.

Libertarians are in favor of "open borders", which translated is, "Let everyone and anyone run wild into the Country and do what they please."

Well actually you said Marxists not Democrats. And while you may equate the two (another example of your ignorance) I do not.

Their positions on various issues equate them.

As for preferring the company of one or the other thats one man's opinion. I generally am more comfortable around Republicans (excepting those in public office) since we tend to share the same outlook on things culturally politically much more so than Democrats. But to each their own.

I guess you didn't read the links.

61 posted on 09/03/2006 12:19:46 AM PDT by ghostmonkey
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Rubbish. I don't know a single Libertarian who supports smoking dope. I (and most libertarians) do believe however that you have a God given right to be stupid if you wish, as long as society doesn't have to pay for your stupidity.

BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH!!!!! The Libertarian platform supports dope. Individuals should have the right to use drugs, whether for medical or recreational purposes, without fear of legal reprisals...

Laugh all you want, monkeyboy, but you completely misread (on purpose, I'm sure) that plank of the platform. I have to agree with the person you're trying to argue with (but since it wasn't directed to him, I can't refer to him directly). I don't know a single libertarian who actually smokes dope or takes drugs. But the fact that we oppose the criminalization has nothing to do with whether or not we take drugs. Do some people who claim to be L/libertarians do so simply because of the LP opposition to the WOD? You bet! The best example of such a person would be that idiot Bill Mahr. He claims to be a "libertarian," but as soon as you start looking at what he says and believes in, you realize that he's a big government leftist who only claims to be a libertarian because of the LP's stance on illegal drugs.

The fact is that while the LP stands for the decriminalization of what are now illegal drugs, they also stand for personal responsibility. Meaning that if you ruin your life using drugs recreationally, then it's up to you, your family, and or charities to try to put your life back together.

Have you noticed that as government has grown in every aspect of life, people have grown both more complacent and dependant on the government? A good example of this is with Social Security. When most people didn't survive long enough to receive social security payments, a family was expected to provide for the needs of the elderly parents. As social security has grown, and made it easier for families to fragment, we've seen the breakup of the family become more and more common.

But back on the subject of the LP plank of drug legalization, there are some very simple reasons to do so:

1) Because according to the Consitution, the federal government has no authority to do so.

2) Because it infringes on the G-d given right that everyone has to be dumber than hell, and cause themselves all sorts of grief - But don't expect the rest of us to clean up your mess.

3) By taking the profit motive out of the illegal drug trade, criminal activity surrounding the drug trade will dry up. After all, how many bloody turf wars have you seen in the news lately, regarding illegal liquor sales? More importantly, have you noticed that there have been increasing crimes in regards to moving "illegal" cigarettes? When government makes a product that people want illegal, it cuts down on supply, driving up the cost. That increased cost will eventually drive a profit margin high enough to be worth breaking the law. And often, that profit will be great enough for shootouts - Look at Nuevo Laredo as an example, or prohibition Chicago and NY.

Mark

77 posted on 09/03/2006 6:24:01 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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