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To: Calvin Coollidge
Let's see. Liberaltarians support smoking dope, murdering unborn children, the homosexual agenda, destroying the moral foundations of the country, judicial activism (provided that it benefits the liberaltarian agenda), illegal immigration and a host of other debauchery that I don't have the time to list.

Coincidently all of those are also positions held by the Demonrat party.

You also have the little matter of the two articles I posted where liberaltarians openly cheer for demonrats, and say that they prefer the company of liberals to conservatives.

18 posted on 09/02/2006 9:36:21 PM PDT by ghostmonkey
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To: ghostmonkey
Let's see. Liberaltarians support smoking dope, murdering unborn children, the homosexual agenda, destroying the moral foundations of the country, judicial activism (provided that it benefits the liberaltarian agenda), illegal immigration and a host of other debauchery that I don't have the time to list.

Proof please. In light of the fact that three out of the last four Lbertarian Presidential candidates were Pro Life, it appears that you don't know what you're talking about.

Coincidently all of those are also positions held by the Demonrat party.

Seeing as how both the Democrats and Republicans have carried on the failed strategy of prohibition, It again appears that you don't know what you're talking about. Educate Yourself

32 posted on 09/02/2006 9:52:34 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: ghostmonkey
Clearly you have no clue what Marxism is about and your just tossing the word around as sort of pejorative. SO let me adress some of your points. You use the term "Liberaltarians." Thats very clever. Did you think of that all by yourself?

Modern day liberals (as opposed to the classical use of the term) support large governments that tries to tell people how to live their lives. I see no difference between either of the two parties currently in Washington on this point except which aspects of our lives you want to regulate. And one other minor difference. Democrats support big government and high taxes to pay for it. Republicans support big government and big debt to avoid paying for it.

"Liberaltarians support smoking dope..."
Rubbish. I don't know a single Libertarian who supports smoking dope. I (and most libertarians) do believe however that you have a God given right to be stupid if you wish, as long as society doesn't have to pay for your stupidity.

"...murdering unborn children..."
Thats a tough one. Many Libertarians do support that. I do not. To me abortion violates the most basic of libertarian principals. Your rights end when they intrude on someone else's. The Right to Life being foremost among those rights.

"... the homosexual agenda..."
Again your ignorance betrays you. We do NOT support any such thing. We believe that we (and you) have no right to impose our morality by legislation on others. What someone does in private with another consenting adult is between them and God. Its none of my business. And frankly its none of yours either. When the homos try to force by law or government action acceptance of their perverted (thats my private opinion) lifestyle on me or you or anyone else we oppose them.

"...destroying the moral foundations of the country..."
By which you mean the morals that you happen to think everyone else should abide by. Enough said.

"...judicial activism (provided that it benefits the liberaltarian agenda)..."
LMAO!!! Exactly how many libertarians have been appointing judges in this country? The only judicial activism that I have seen is by a court that has over the last half century been hell bent on aggrandizing the powers of the government to promote the interests of whichever of the two political parties happens to have been naming Supreme Court Justices. If you believe otherwise please give specific examples and not a lot of hot air.

"...illegal immigration..."
I have never met a Libertarian who supports illegal immigration. But if they did they are as entitled to their opinion as you are. Thats another difference between libertarians and GOPers and DU types. When we don't agree with you we will tell you but we won;t call you names generally or resort to childish tantrums. In fact we strongly believe in your right to spout your foolish invective.

"You also have the little matter of the two articles I posted where liberaltarians openly cheer for demonrats, and say that they prefer the company of liberals to conservatives."

Well actually you said Marxists not Democrats. And while you may equate the two (another example of your ignorance) I do not. As for preferring the company of one or the other thats one man's opinion. I generally am more comfortable around Republicans (excepting those in public office) since we tend to share the same outlook on things culturally politically much more so than Democrats. But to each their own.
34 posted on 09/02/2006 10:02:13 PM PDT by Calvin Coollidge (The last really great president.)
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To: ghostmonkey
Let's see. Liberaltarians support smoking dope,

Saying that nowhere in the Consitution does the federal government have the authority to make laws against drugs. That it's a states' rights issue. Though I agree, most dopers just like the libertarians because they're for legalizing drug use.

murdering unborn children,

Again, that it's a states' rights issue. The Consitution of the US doesn't give the federal government the right to ban abortions. But again, I agree with you. Many libertarians are attracted to the party due to their support of abortions. Interestingly enough though, the libertarians would ban public spending (at least on a federal level) on abortions or birth control.

the homosexual agenda,

Equal rights for all. That's what the Constitution of the US is supposed to support. However, the "gay agenda" does attract some people who agree with it. But again, at least on a federal level, most libertarians believe that this is a states' rights issue (are you starting to see a pattern here?)

destroying the moral foundations of the country,

You need to be a bit more specific here...,

judicial activism (provided that it benefits the liberaltarian agenda),

Whoa nellie!!! Actually, Libertarians tend to be very strict constructionists. Far more so than so called conservatives who often do support judicial activism.

illegal immigration

Actually, they favor "open borders," which would end the entire concept of "illegal immigration." Interestingly enough, both dems and pubbies seem to agree with this...

and a host of other debauchery that I don't have the time to list.

Nor do I. I support some of the above, oppose others. I guess that you might be able to pigeonhole me as a conservative-leaning, "small 'L'" libertarian, a bit closer to a Jeffersonial Liberal than anything else.

Coincidently all of those are also positions held by the Demonrat party.

Of course, you left out the part about strict adherance to the Constitutions of the federal government and the states, smaller government, allowing more direct control, and lower taxes, all of which the dems treat like a vampire treats a crucifix!

You also have the little matter of the two articles I posted where liberaltarians openly cheer for demonrats, and say that they prefer the company of liberals to conservatives.

Well, you have to admit that in many cases, liberals are a lot more fun. It depends on the sort of "liberal" or "conservative." For instance, I know that I could have a lot of fun hanging out with Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, or Rush Limbaugh. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to hang out with Pat Robertson or Pat Buchanan. And while I like hanging out with my socialist friend Shellie, I don't think I could spend more than a few seconds with most of the dems who are in congress without wanting to put a bullet in my brain.

Mark

36 posted on 09/02/2006 10:10:49 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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