>>"Eh, I guess that's small potatoes, so far as an accomplishment goes, now, isn't it."
>Yes, it is.
Then, at risk of sounding condescending, it would seem you are uninformed as to the monumental nature of the task of turning America's largest city around, let alone knowing what actually happened here.
>Pretty outlandish claim, that.
Then provide us with a list of their accomplishments, if you would. My 'unprincipled' approach towards politics includes examining what a candidate has achieved, not just what they claim to stand for or against.
>if you think *McCain* is a conservative we'd support, that just goes to show how out of touch New York "Republicans" are.
If you'd kindly show me where I suggested such a thing. I only included his name because he's considered a front-runner, not because I can't read what people think about him on this site. I haven't had much use for the guy for well over a decade, since I became more acquainted with him.
>>"Not Tom Ognibene. "
>Who on Earth is that? Is this some local NYC political reference you expect the rest of the country to care about?
I guess mentioning the name of a candidate who represented the Conservative Party in NYC is means for another non-NYer to lodge the charge that us NYers are oh-so NY-centric. Forgive me, I won't bother talking about Conservatives who have actually managed to gain elective office in our city...where liberals simply don't dominate as they once did. Gee, I wonder why that is. Oh, never mind, I just remembered we're dealing with folks here who aren't interested in the idea that the minds of liberals were changed by Giuliani 'liberal' policies like cutting taxes & moving welfare recipients to jobs. Oh, and something about crime reduction, using tactics & policies that were the polar opposite of the ideas employed by Police Commissioners appointed by...liberals...
>You confuse showing up on TV a few times and not totally failing at his job with leadership..
Not totally failing? Well, there were some failures, then, weren't there. Kindly detail some for us?
Yes, showing up on TV--not a few times, hourly, for days, the guy didn't sleep for probably a week--was quite an example of leadership & kept people going. Sorry you think it's some piddling nonentity of a task. Pataki couldn't even form words half the time. If Giuliani had broken down on camera, you'd probably criticize him for that. But he didn't, so I guess it's meaningless. Well, I say the hole in the ground I live around the corner from holds some meaning, and his was the only reassuring presence at the time, period.
>I and other conservatives will not vote for a pro-illegal immigration, anti-2nd Amendment, pro-partial birth abortion, liberal whether or not he calls himself a "Republican".
Okay, fine, don't. Who's asking you to? Just keep in mind, no mention of accomplishments or results in that old chestnut you guys keep dragging out, and, mark my words, it will lead to "President Hillary Clinton."
Count on it.