Most Americans Agree with Evolution [new poll]

Angus Reid Consultants ^ | 01 September 2006 | Staff

[HayekRocks]

You appear to be a mentally defective racist with a scat fetish.

[RunningWolf]

'Ur killing me HK !

W.

[HayekRocks]

Well and good. Just be aware you can pick up all sorts of diseases that way. I am a libertarian, so I will not condemn your lifestyle, but you should be aware that in the unlikely event anyone cares about you, it will distress them.

[RunningWolf]

I am done with this.

You however need to regroup, and perhaps get about 30 evos together with you at me.

[MHGinTN]

Okay, I'll risk it (ridicule and condescension are such frequent replies on these threads) and share an alternate way to conceive of dimension time.

The traditional way of defining 'eternity' is as time flowing but never flowing out. When you write about having your behaviors all recorded before you do them, you are conceiving of time flowing from your present into some future present, thus the future present omniscient one views back to the current present and every moment in between and records the moment by moment (as it were) intervals.

Try this notion: present is a variable expression of dimension time and eternity is the constant present without a past or future to flow from or to. An omnipresent deity has access to past, present, and future time as you have access to linear, planar and volumetric space. You, existing in the constant present tense but perceiving only events that have already occurred, would not have access to actual present. If your entire lifetime in the body is lived in the present receiving only information from future not from the universe at the exact present of your existence, from a future time perspective your entire lifetime is as a single event, not something flowing. Free will is a phenomenon you perceive to be in force as if your lifetime is flowing, whereas your free will is an instantaneous phenomenon occurring in present time which is invariant.

The multiverse approach to this concept would declare that at every choice you make in life, a new pathway is branched off for temporal flow. I don't buy that, but it would probably make sense to you in order to maintain the illusion of freedom to choose at every instance since you prefer to believe time is flowing.

There is a problem with the way we define time presently, as evidenced in the problem of entanglement, where two or more particles may be separated by vast distances yet when one is acted upon, instantly the entangled partner is effected ... this is classic sharing of a moment regardless of spatial separation, thus time is not as we have defined it as flowing. The fact that an electron can be its own interference pattern partner also hints that time is not as classically defined or characterized.

[hosepipe]

[ More adults in the United States believe the theory of evolution is correct, according to a poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. ]

Wonder how many of those same people believe America is a democracy instead of a republic.. No doubt most all of them..

[wintertime]

Besides, we're dealing with high school education majors who are teachers. Does their opinion and consensus on what exactly constitutes *science* agree across the board?

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Education major as a "science teacher"? Geeze! What an oxymoron!

[wintertime]

Wonder how many of those same people believe America is a democracy instead of a republic.. No doubt most all of them..

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Why? Because the government schools have deliberately taught them that.

[jennyp]

Hi guys, did anything interesting happen here since my placemarker?

[wintertime]

There is a solution: Begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education. Why?

There are three questions that influence the behavior of all sentient beings:

1) Where did we come from?
2) Why are we here?
3) Where do we go when we die.

The beliefs that anyone has about these questions have religious consequences. Surely, evolution is a subject that addresses, at least the first question, and for many influences their opinions on the the second and third question.

so...how can a government school approach the topic of the origins of life without establishing the religion of some and trashing that of others? Answer: It can't!

And,,,evolution is merely one of ***hundreds*** of curriculum decisions that have religious consequences. The personal beliefs of government school officials regrading the above 3 questions influence decisions regard literature, history, sex education, homosexuality, dress codes, foods served, holidays celebrated, which weekend day will be used for school functions, music performed and taught to the children.

Government schools are a First Amendment abomination. They never were, never can be , and never will be religiously neutral. They will promote one religious worldview over another. They do violate free speech, free press, free expression of religion, and free assembly.

The worst part about government schools is that they can and DO use the threat of police action to force students to attend, and to force citizens to pay for its non-neutral religious agenda.

Privatize universal K-12 education. Let parents, teachers, and principals decide on curriculum and policies so that the 3 questions, ( Where are we from? Why are we here? Where do we go when we die? ) can be addressed in a way that upholds the religious traditions in the home, rather than actively ( and possibly even maliciously ) undermining them.

[dread78645]

Hi guys, did anything interesting happen here since my placemarker?

Not much. Just a lesson in internet etiquette ...

[stands2reason]

I don't see how it's not your free choice. Does someone else force you to make a decision? No. Therefore: free choice.

[Elsie]

Thus, because of satan's pushing towards carnality.

Not so...

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Genesis 3
1. Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2. The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
3. but God did say, `You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'"
4. "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.
5. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

 

Satan tempted her with 'being like GOD'.  That is sure NOT 'carnality'!

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Satan can only do this - "Did God really say..." - create doubt.  Everything we do, against GOD, is because of doubt.

What is unbelief, but doubt.

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[Elsie]

Uh... I read your post #295 twice and don't see anything about the "sons of God" and the daughters of men.

 

NIV Genesis 6:1-8
 1.  When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
 2.  the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
 3.  Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with  man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
 4.  The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had

      children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

 

Are you color blind?  ; ^)

[Elsie]

The definition of what a planet was updated.

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I'd say, "Changed".

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Why 'downgrade' Pluto?

'Cause OTHER things in our 'system' are as big, or bigger, and they didn't want to ADD 'planets'!

(Can you imagine the uproar?)

"Only GOD can create a PLANET!!!"

[Elsie]

IOW's the two are not mututally exclusive, that being a belief in the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth and being agnostic on the trinity are not two inputs to an exor gate.

 

NIV Genesis 1:26
   Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

 

NIV Genesis 3:22
   And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

 

There is at least TWO in these verses...

 

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 two inputs to an exor gate.   (some folks here may not know TTL logic chips ;^)

[Elsie]

This would be COOL!


I always like learning how we got to where we are today.

[Elsie]

Learn something about image hosting.

"Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
TEACH a man to fish, and he eats forever."

[Elsie]

If you know about it, and try to avoid it, you'll end up making it happen.

[Elsie]

If your changing your mind was completely predictable, how could it be 'free will'?

Our local TV weatherman makes 'predictions', but I've NEVER seen him doing a raindance! ;^)