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Little Ice Age: Big Chill (History Channel's "Inconvenient Truth" About Global Cooling)
History Channel ^ | August 31, 2006

Posted on 08/31/2006 5:13:46 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

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To: AmusedBystander

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


21 posted on 08/31/2006 6:53:49 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: PJ-Comix
Vines In The UK
22 posted on 08/31/2006 6:54:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I'm watching it for the 3-4 time. I remember my grandparents talking about their parents and grandparents talking about how cold 'it used to be.'

Same here. I remember the old folks talking about it too.

23 posted on 08/31/2006 6:56:57 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: PJ-Comix

Personally, I don't give a hoot about any theories regarding where our climate is going.

A-None of us are going to be around to see any changes.
B-There ain't a damn thing anyone could do about it anyway, even if it is accurate. It is highly unlikely any predictions about what will happen with the climate 150 years from now will be accurate. So what if they are. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


24 posted on 08/31/2006 6:58:05 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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First time in at least 4 or 5 mos. I haven't had to open my window at night.


25 posted on 08/31/2006 6:58:55 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Would you like to join the OFFICIAL Oakland Raiders ping list? Sure you would, send me freepmail.)
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To: PJ-Comix
two feet of snow fell on New England in June and July during "the Year Without a Summer".

That was actually due to the eruption of Tambora in Indonesia.

26 posted on 08/31/2006 6:59:10 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: PJ-Comix

Didn't the history channel just run a documentary episode about how we will all burn to death in the new global warming world?


27 posted on 08/31/2006 7:00:37 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: PJ-Comix
Such a Little Ice Age in northeastern North America and in Western Europe could be caused by a fairly quick (within a decade) shut down of the Gulf Stream -- which has happened before and could be caused by too much meltwater from Greenland. See the following article

The Next Ice Age

or

The Younger Dryas (Little Ice Age)

28 posted on 08/31/2006 7:02:05 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: PJ-Comix
I am taking a college biology class and was looking at the book tonight in class. There was a chart of the average temps since 1900. I noticed that until 1930 the averages was below the long term average.

If the averages started going up in the 1930's there is just one problem with Man's industrial production being the cause. The Great Depression meant much less greenhouse gas production than in the 1920's and World War I.
29 posted on 08/31/2006 9:43:15 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: PJ-Comix
When Samuel Champlain first visited Vermont he wrote:
July 1609

Continuing our course over this lake on the western side, I noticed, while observing the country, some very high mountains on the eastern side, on top of which there was snow.

I can assure you these mountains today never have snow on them even in June much less July.

The Spanish conquistadors also wrote about the cold frosty mornings in Mexico, in the summer.

30 posted on 08/31/2006 9:58:00 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: BluH2o
Being somewhat familiar with this area of the world it must have been a whole lot warmer in that era than today

They are growing grapes there now so it does not need to be a lot warmer than today.

31 posted on 08/31/2006 10:02:13 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: JustDoItAlways
The funny thing is, as recently as the mid to late 1970s the so-called climate "scientists" (in my book not much better than the weathermen at predictions) were raising the alarm that we were headed into another ice age. Not a lot of response to that other than "damn."

Then their tune changed. Global warming could be attributed to man's actions. Something mankind did could be funded, studied, funded, legislated, funded, and studied some more. Hmmm.

And the big bad CO2 levels? What none of the chicken-littles will tell you is that even if mankind stopped all CO2 emissions - a 100% reduction in our output... It would result in a less than 2% drop in CO2 dumped into the atmosphere yearly. Yep, mother nature accounts for 98%+ of the CO2. Between good years and bad years (eg. think volcanoes) human contributions to CO2 are lost in the noise.

Another example of how the climate alarmists are not backed up with real science? Take the melting of the glaciers. Google "How many glaciers in the world" and all you'll get are a bunch of alarmist links about "many" glaciers melting. Yet even though there are literally thousands (over 10K IIRC) of glaciers, less then 200 have been scientifically studied. How in the hell can they call themselves serious scientists and draw such sweeping conclusions when they have such a small sample? I know all about "statistical methods" - math-speak for numbers to lie for you.

I'm not worried about global warming, nor an ice age. I'm worried about being over-run by flaming idiots spouting sensational garbage.

32 posted on 08/31/2006 10:19:22 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Fiddlstix
Thanks, Fiddlstix!
The Little Ice Age: How Climate Made History 1300-1850 The Little Ice Age:
How Climate Made History 1300-1850

by Brian M. Fagan
Paperback

33 posted on 08/31/2006 10:24:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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34 posted on 08/31/2006 10:24:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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35 posted on 08/31/2006 10:24:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Here is the theory: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm

In quick summary, if enough cold, fresh water coming from the melting polar ice caps and the melting glaciers of Greenland flows into the northern Atlantic, it will shut down the Gulf Stream, which keeps Europe and northeastern North America warm. The worst-case scenario would be a full-blown return of the last ice age - in a period as short as 2 to 3 years from its onset - and the mid-case scenario would be a period like the "little ice age" of a few centuries ago that disrupted worldwide weather patterns leading to extremely harsh winters, droughts, worldwide desertification, crop failures, and wars around the world.


36 posted on 08/31/2006 10:58:24 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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I thought it was Krakatoa - but your'e right. Here's added info. i thought the 1991 reference was interesting! (That never seems to come up in the MSM treatment).

The June 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo was global. Slightly cooler than usual temperatures recorded worldwide and the brilliant sunsets and sunrises have been attributed to this eruption that sent fine ash and gases high into the stratosphere, forming a large volcanic cloud that drifted around the world. The sulfur dioxide (SO2) in this cloud -- about 22 million tons -- combined with water to form droplets of sulfuric acid, blocking some of the sunlight from reaching the Earth and thereby cooling temperatures in some regions by as much as 0.5 degrees °C. An eruption the size of Mount Pinatubo could affect the weather for a few years.

A similar phenomenon occurred in April of 1815 with the cataclysmic eruption of Tambora Volcano in Indonesia, the most powerful eruption in recorded history. Tambora's volcanic cloud lowered global temperatures by as much as 3 degrees °C. Even a year after the eruption, most of the northern hemisphere experienced sharply cooler temperatures during the summer months. In parts of Europe and in North America, 1816 was known as "the year without a summer."


37 posted on 08/31/2006 11:13:22 PM PDT by geopyg (If the carrot doesn't work, use the stick. Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
They are growing grapes there now so it does not need to be a lot warmer than today.

From 1300 to 1850, a period of cataclysmic cold caused havoc. It froze Viking colonists in Greenland, accelerated the Black Death in Europe, etc., etc ...

The original point in the article is highlighted above ... I'm taking exception to the premise there was a 'mini-ice age' underway at the time. Not so ... at least based on the historical accounts I'm reading.

38 posted on 09/01/2006 6:26:06 AM PDT by BluH2o
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Wait a minute! If we had unusual global cooling in previous centuries, then wouldn't our current "global warming" really be called getting back to normal?

According to the global warming experts there was no little ice age, we have had constant temperatures for over 2000 years prior to 1900. The little ice age is a figment of our imagination. Those poor folks that froze their butts off were really warm.

39 posted on 09/01/2006 6:31:26 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Also, the medieval warm period period never happened either. The expanded agriculture in Greenland and england never happened. Climate has been stable till about 1980, and it got worse in 1994, and got especially bad in 2000-2006
40 posted on 09/01/2006 7:06:03 AM PDT by sachem longrifle (proud member of the fond Du lac band of the Ojibwa people)
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