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Guardsman attacked, beaten in Parkland, WA (Called Baby Killer)
Tacoma News Tribune ^
| 8-31-2006
| Stacey Mulick
Posted on 08/31/2006 5:31:03 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Brilliant
"And if someone attacks someone because of their political hatred, or hatred of the military, then I see no reason why they should not get a longer sentence. "
The reason is that as soon as you start punishing people for their state of mind or their thoughts instead of for their actions, justice becomes arbitrary, no longer based on fact but based on conjecture.
When that happens, no one is safe. Anyone can be prosecuted arbitrarily giving prosecutors unreasonable powers over everyone. Thought crime trials would resemble witch trials.
Thought crime legislation is stupid and scary.
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posted on
08/31/2006 8:12:44 AM PDT
by
monday
To: monday
"soon as you start punishing people for their state of mind or their thoughts instead of for their actions..."
We've always done that though. Increasing the penalty because of a subjective analysis of the perp's thought processes is a routine part of all sentencing--not just for hate crimes. Sometimes, the mental state is even necessary to get a conviction altogether.
And yes, it is somewhat arbitrary, which is why the legislature has different degrees of criminality, and also why they have sentencing guidelines.
To: Coop
"But we are here at FR going to do anything about this, beyond a few angry words on threads?"
What do you have in mind? Seems to me that the cops are going to be looking for these cretins, already.
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posted on
08/31/2006 8:27:03 AM PDT
by
MineralMan
(Non-evangelical Atheist)
To: monday
"Maybe they all belonged to a softball team? I am curious though. Were there any witnesses to this?"
If you are suggesting there is a chance his story is made up and his injuries was the result of some other sort of altercation, I have thought about the same thing. Drug deal gone bad or something and he made up the story to keep him self out of trouble. That is a possibility and I'm sure the police will investigate that angle. I would hate to think there are people in this country with so much hate for the military that they would do something like this, but it does happen and the Pacific Northwest is filled with some of the most radical hate-filled leftist in America. Hopefully the police can get to the bottom of this.
To: Coop
When I first heard about this story, Twanna Brawley came to mind; but seeing now this was in Washington State, it has a bit more credence.
I'll have to go check on updates and see if they have more details and collaboration now.
Somehow I still find it hard to believe that anyone could do such a dispicable thing.
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posted on
08/31/2006 9:41:48 AM PDT
by
patriciaruth
(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
To: NavyCanDo; Coop
I can't type the word that just flew out of my mouth.
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posted on
08/31/2006 9:52:19 AM PDT
by
StarCMC
("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
To: SamuraiScot; Coop
What would you expect the description to be? Tall black men in tukes? /sarcasm
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posted on
08/31/2006 9:57:42 AM PDT
by
StarCMC
("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
To: NavyCanDo; Coop; All
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posted on
08/31/2006 10:03:14 AM PDT
by
StarCMC
("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
To: NavyCanDo
But, but, I thought the Northwest was home to the tolerant people? You mean that they are hypocrites?
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posted on
08/31/2006 10:04:20 AM PDT
by
MissouriConservative
(People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid - Kierkegaard)
To: NavyCanDo; Coop; All
Sent to pcsheriff@co.pierce.wa.us
Dear Sheriff Troyer,
I read the story about the National Guardsman who was held at gunpoint and beaten, and I hope that you will continue to put forth every effort to find the men responsible for this hideous act.
I also wanted to ask if there's a way to donate to the reward fund?
Thank you!
starcmc
city, state
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posted on
08/31/2006 10:14:13 AM PDT
by
StarCMC
("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
To: mware
Coop what do you suggest?As far as doing something about this hostile environment toward our troops?
- Attend pro-troops rallies to be held on September 11th in several dozen cities across the U.S. (right now these threads are avoided like the plague)
- Visit a recruiter's office or a veteran's hospital to show one's appreciation
- Attend the 23 Sep Support the Troops rally in D.C., and/or the 1 Oct Boot Murtha rally in Johnstown PA. Can't attend? Folks can still support those rallies in a variety of ways.
- Send care packages and letters to troops overseas.
- Actively promote and support groups and individuals that do the above steps.
Put on your thinking cap. I know there are a ton of other suggestions. But one of the reasons this crap is occurring (again), is because these sleazeballs think this really is Vietnam, Part II. We all need to get off our duffs and show them it's not.
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posted on
08/31/2006 10:17:40 AM PDT
by
Coop
(No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
To: justshutupandtakeit
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posted on
08/31/2006 10:18:35 AM PDT
by
Coop
(No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
To: jazusamo; mware
That's another great suggestion, Jaz!
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posted on
08/31/2006 10:19:40 AM PDT
by
Coop
(No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
To: MissouriConservative
"I thought the Northwest was home to the tolerant people"
I would be willing to bet that Washington has more anti-war protest at the gate of military bases than any other state. I have joined support-the-troops groups that have showed up at some of these protest to stand up to these creeps face to face, and I can tell you they are full of hate. Much bolder than the protesters of the 1960's and in much greater numbers.
To: StarCMC
Thanks for the link Star, I will be contacting.
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posted on
08/31/2006 10:27:41 AM PDT
by
jazusamo
(DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
To: NavyCanDo
I have run into some very hateful people here in the Midwest. The other night I was given the finger by a total stranger on my way home from work. She looked normal, mid 20s, but had so much hatred for my bumper stickers that she was forced to role down her window and flip me off.
I feel sorry for people like that.
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posted on
08/31/2006 10:54:46 AM PDT
by
MissouriConservative
(People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid - Kierkegaard)
To: Coop
For many you are absolutely correct.
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posted on
08/31/2006 11:00:20 AM PDT
by
justshutupandtakeit
(If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
To: jazusamo
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posted on
08/31/2006 12:17:04 PM PDT
by
StarCMC
("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
To: MissouriConservative
Hey!! Where in MO are you?? Local to St. Louis area here! :-)
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posted on
08/31/2006 12:17:59 PM PDT
by
StarCMC
("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
To: kellynla; 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; ...
those sorry, no good, stinking, rotten SOBs! May they meet RANGERs from Fort Lewis and try that crap or better yet some Navy SEALS!
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posted on
08/31/2006 4:51:44 PM PDT
by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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