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Hydrogen power system unveiled in Maine
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^
| August 30, 2006
| JERRY HARKAVY
Posted on 08/30/2006 5:50:43 PM PDT by neverdem
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posted on
08/30/2006 5:50:44 PM PDT
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
"We've tried to resist placing a cost per kilowatt-hour on this because it would be meaningless at this point," said Peter Arnold, Chewonki's project director.
That and the cost per kilowatt-hour would be so high that it would scare off anyone who is not a confirmed tree hugger from considering it.
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posted on
08/30/2006 5:55:29 PM PDT
by
Ninian Dryhope
("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
To: neverdem
Given that neither the Kerrys,the Kennedys nor the Cronkites live near it,this thing may actually get off the ground.
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posted on
08/30/2006 5:55:48 PM PDT
by
Gay State Conservative
("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
To: neverdem
"We've tried to resist placing a cost per kilowatt-hour on this because it would be meaningless ridiculously embarrassing at this point," said Peter Arnold, Chewonki's project director.
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posted on
08/30/2006 5:56:30 PM PDT
by
Dog Gone
To: neverdem
They resisted placing a cost per kilowatt hr on it. Why most likey the cost is so high no one would think about doing it.
To: neverdem
At Chewonki, the oxygen produced when water is split into its two components is discarded. If there's anyone up there who behaves like I did as a kid it won't be long before someone ties the H2 and O2 lines together.
To: neverdem
Because hydrogen is flammable, the electrolyzer and eight cylinders with an overall capacity of 2,080 cubic feet of the gas are stored in a wood and concrete shed in the woods behind the center. Damn. - Now there is high tech for you! ;^)
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posted on
08/30/2006 6:03:27 PM PDT
by
bill1952
("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
To: neverdem
$250,000 for a four day backup generator for their iguana.
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posted on
08/30/2006 6:04:35 PM PDT
by
Democrap
(http://democrap.com)
To: neverdem
Ummm.. doesn't it take like 6 kilowatts of energy to produce enough hydrogen for one kilowatt of fuel cell power, not to mention the couple thousand kilowatts (at least) to make the solar panels, compressor, and the fuel cell itself?
Doesn't sound very "green" to me....
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posted on
08/30/2006 6:08:30 PM PDT
by
xcamel
(Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
To: Democrap
"$250,000 for a four day backup generator for their iguana." Funniest damn thing I've heard all day!.
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posted on
08/30/2006 6:10:42 PM PDT
by
StormEye
To: neverdem
New technology that produces the gas at high pressure eliminates the need for a costly compressor.
Was doing that in the sixth grade with a pop bottle, Drano, water,aluminum foil, and balloons; made some beautiful big bangs until the sheriff told me to stop(it was scaring the livestock).
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posted on
08/30/2006 6:12:53 PM PDT
by
crazyhorse691
(Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
To: neverdem
Let's see if I have this down:
1. They generate electricity from solar cells (and buy some extra electricity direct from the grid),
2. They use the electricity to crack water into hydrogen and oxygen,
3. Then they throw away the oxygen, and finally
4. They run the hydrogen through some fuel cells to generate both electricity and water.
And wouldn't cutting out steps two through four be more efficient?
And wouldn't cutting out the inefficient solar cells in step one be even more efficient??
Now why did they call a press conference to tout their waste of money and resources for this nonsense???
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posted on
08/30/2006 6:15:48 PM PDT
by
balrog666
(Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
First thing that I thought of too.
"well lets see its twice as expensive as oil and 5 times as expensive as coal! Who cares about the cost?"
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posted on
08/30/2006 6:27:41 PM PDT
by
Holicheese
(MMMMM fried clams.)
To: Ninian Dryhope
Les see - the cost
"three fuel cells can each convert it into one kilowatt of electricity" 3 kW per hours, so 3 kW/h output x 4 days worth of power.
Divide by system cost, which would be 250,000 somalians.
So 3 kW for 4 days, 3x 96 is 288 kW/h in the system.
So then $250,000 / 288 -- not counting the 'green power' purchases -- My Ti-1105 gives me a tad over $868 per kW/h.
Near as I can tell, these guys make Ted Stevens look the piker.
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posted on
08/30/2006 6:52:07 PM PDT
by
ASOC
(The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
To: balrog666
Funny thing is that Chewonki is right around the bend from what used to be a very nice nuclear power plant, Maine Yankee.
To: balrog666
I read somewhere that it takes more electricity to make a solar cell that it will deliver in it's lifetime.
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posted on
08/30/2006 7:06:29 PM PDT
by
preacher
(A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
To: ASOC
When they sell this system they can no longer claim the oil companies are raping us.
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posted on
08/30/2006 7:06:37 PM PDT
by
OrioleFan
(Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
To: bill1952
They're lying. I bet they didn't really decommission the nuke plant in Wiscasset...
To: Calvin Locke
God save us from politicians.
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posted on
08/30/2006 7:22:57 PM PDT
by
ClaireSolt
(.All generalizations are false, including this one.)
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