NIST Refutes 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (National Institute of Standards and Technology)

EE Times ^ | 08/30/2006 | George Leopold

[VegasCowboy]

What is this supposed to prove? So the Pentagon ran a drill simulating an accident, and Condi Rice said they didn't expect an attack. Um, ok. Am I supposed to now be convinced there is a conspiracy?

[Dead Corpse]

White hot, or sparking, heat is also the welding heat at around 2800 degrees depending on the alloy. It is indeed just under the oxidation, or burning, heat for most steels. Yellow is better, but the metal is very plastic and is harder to control. A light orange is what you are pretty much looking for.

Now try and convince you average conspiracy nut about the inherent logic in your last sentence there. They are completely blind to it.

[streetpreacher]

instead of bracing the buildings corner-to-corner or using internal walls, the towers were essentially hollow steel tubes surrounding a strong central core.

Why no mention of the 47 central steel columns that were the main support for each tower?

[streetpreacher]

Of course not. It does prove that our government has not been on the up and up regarding perceived threats and it's just one more piece that doesn't add up.

At some point, critical faculties have to kick in and cause one to ask questions. Which is all I am really doing...

Question: Did Lyndon Johnson lie to us about the Gulf of Tonkin? Did Nixon lie about the bombings of Cambodia?

Have you read the declassified report, "Operation Northwoods" signed by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer and submitted to the Secretary of Defense McNamara seeking a green light for false flag acts of terrorism against the American people in order to justify an invasion of Cuba (one of the scenarios involved the shooting down of an American airliner off the coast of Cuba)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Governments do these things. Power corrupts. America is no exception to the rule. We're a long way from the Constitutional Republic of our forefathers.

[streetpreacher]

LOL. Talk about denying reality...

[VegasCowboy]

How in the hell do you think our government could pull this off? I find it outstanding that anyone gives them that much credit. Do you think they blew up the levies in NO too???

Of course power corrupts. But this would have been in the works before the Bush Admin, meaning two administrations were involved. You have to believe a lot of far-fetched things to go down the road you have traveled. And don't tell me you are just "asking questions." That's a cop out. Either you can support your theories with facts or you cannot.

[VegasCowboy]

Talk about denying reality

Hey pot, meet kettle.

[hellinahandcart]

Faulty premise #1.

#7, a 47-story building was not "shielded by WTC 5 and 6", because those were only 9 or 10-story buildings (which did not utterly collapse because, being long low structures, there wasn't enough weight pressing down from above to cause them to. But they were pretty much completely destroyed anyway because the debris punched gigantic holes through them from ceiling to sub-basements, and then commenced the buildings burning).

Remember the debris formed an umbrella shape as the tower fell? Very easy to reach #7 across the narrow street separating it from the plaza. If you see an overhead diagram of the complex, you will see that #7 was trapezoid-shaped. The debris pretty much took off one lower corner of the building on the short side of the trapezoid. Meaning that gravity was working on all the floors above it (more than were above the strike zone in Tower 2), without enough support to counteract. This is why it eventually collapsed bottom-up, instead of top-down like the towers. The damage was at the bottom of the building not the top.

Faulty premise #2.

There were not "minor fires on two floors". There were huge fires and they burned for hours. Firemen were never sent into #7 because the building was making funny structural noises from the get-go, and they were pretty sure it was coming down. It wasn't worth the risk, so they let it burn.

I confess I don't understand the significance of the squibs or why you guys focus on them so. Smoke goes up. If a smoky building collapses, it's going to expell the smoke through any openings on its way down. You expect the "squibs" to look like they're racing DOWN a falling building or something? I really don't get it.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

So, in other words, you have absolutely no qualifications as a professional architect or a civil engineer, but you are undoubtedly smarter than all of them put together, and know far more about their profession than they do.

[Rocko]

Pardon me for not going any further than your "The page cannot be found" link.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

What are yours?

I'm not the one making assertions that the building was destroyed in a certain manner, you are. So, what are your qualifications as an architect or as a civil engineer for evaluating the circumstances of the WTC 7 collapse?

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

They weighed about as much as an equivalent volume of solid balsa wood.

[Rocko]

Not that I'm finding your "Bush Conspiracy" arguments credible....

[streetpreacher]

What questions? All of your so-called questions are non-critical and of no substance? I could care less "how the government could pull this off?" Who could answer that? It's opinion masked as a serious question. Are you kidding me?

I'm tempted to just reply "Whatever"...

[Rocko]

So, let's hear it straight from you. Who was responsible for the collapse of the towers? Bush? The "Israeli Lobby"? The Jolly Green Giant?

[streetpreacher]

That was actually a very good reply and more in line at what I am looking for.

I must confess, however, that based on photographs I don't see the evidence of major fires throughout #7. Do you have any links or sources that I am not aware of?

As far as the squibs, they appear to be racing up before the collapse, at least based on the video I've seen. I could be wrong about that.

BTW, when the twin towers fell, the "squibs" are seen racing down the towers as the towers fell. It could be that it is just dust being propelled out of the building from the above collapsing floors.

That is why the squibs racing "up" #7 seem to be a different monster to me. What would explain that?

I'm still at a loss as to why the 9-11 Commission did not investigate this collapse.

[ExGeeEye]

Ahem...

How do you know that's East over thattaway?

For all you know, it's South-Southwest.

You Bushbot.

/s :)

[streetpreacher]

Whatever...

[Rocko]

No LOL?

[streetpreacher]

Okay.