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Jeffrey Hart's article is part of a symposium entitled, "What is Left? What is Right? Does it matter?" It is apparent from his comments that FDR's New Deal "saved capitalism" and that President Bush is "an ideologue remote from fact" and "the worst president in history." that he has strayed off the reservation.
1 posted on 08/30/2006 12:29:47 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill; BlackElk

I didn't even know he was still alive. He used to be printed in the old Jackson owned New Haven Register until he was pulled DECADES ago.


2 posted on 08/30/2006 12:36:03 PM PDT by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Fiji Hill

I don't think so. I do support the President, but not on conservative grounds. My grounds for support are entirely pragmatic and necessary, not conservative.

What is interesting about Mr. Hart's analysis is that he argues against idealism and then suggests that to prosecute the war in Iraq is to wallow in idealism. I disagree. We are pursuing a strategic purpose in Iraq (not least among our goals is to ensure that nobody takes us for a paper tiger any time soon).

Thing is, to fully agree even with Mr. Hart's conviction, we must agree that Buckley's definition rules our President out and that it is a realistic and adequate definition of conservatism.

I'm not sure about either of those two propositions, myself.


3 posted on 08/30/2006 12:39:22 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: Fiji Hill

I happen to agree with Mr. Hart's opinion of this president. I voted for Bush three times; twice for governor and once for president. Right now, I wouldn't vote for him as dog catcher. IMO, he's been a total disaster as U.S. president.

At one time, I thought his old man was the worst president we'd ever had (though I voted for him in '88 also) and so I was reluctant to vote for young Bush the first time because I figured he had a lot of his old man in him. Sure 'nuff, my instincts were right.

The ONLY things he's done with which I agree is appoint some conservatives to the federal bench and cut taxes.


5 posted on 08/30/2006 12:43:34 PM PDT by Sooner1938 (Disgusted)
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To: Fiji Hill
That brings us to George W. Bush, the most ideological president in American history. He thinks in abstractions and acts on them. No president stands at a greater remove from Burke’s critique of ideology. His foreign policy—the march of democracy—is immune to fact and, notably in Iraq, to a Burkean sense of history. In economics (supply-side dogma, calamitous debt), in science (Intelligent Design), in his opposition to stem-cell research and therapy, Bush has been a brass-bound ideologue. On stem-cell research, Bush formulates his opposition this way: “It’s wrong to destroy life in order to save life.” His first use of the word “life” refers to a few insensate cells, his second to an actual sick human being.

DUH-pee-yew's problem is that he is arrogant and recalcitrant. He won't listen to any but his sycophantic advisers or his buddies in the high corporate places he had become so comfortable in before his inauguration--the general, who know how to fight a war is poo-pooed in favor of Rummy's bizarre theory of limited engagement, the conservative economist who warns of high deficits in the wake of guns AND butter is silenced in the wake of spending will fuel the economy (albeit temporarily), and the heralder of how illegal immigration hurts the country is said to be an alarmist. True, we all love tax cuts and responsible Constitutionalist Supreme Court appointments but why can't we have a winning strategy in Iraq, and reasonable spending and immigration policies too?

7 posted on 08/30/2006 12:57:45 PM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: Fiji Hill
While I agree in principle that Bush is not a conservative by most interpretations of that term, and I am not particularly enamored of him, I hesitate to pile on. Lord knows we've heard plenty of criticism from the right from the likes of George Will, William Buckley, Pat Buchanan and others.

But beyond selling a few magazines and elevating the stature of such writers in their own minds, what positive purpose does all this Bush bashing serve? Here Hart laments the fact that GWB is too "ideological" and "not pragmatic enough". Fine. Was Hart himself pragmatic enough to consider the political ramifications of his anti-Bush diatribe in an election year in which the WOT, and the possibility of Iranian nukes, is front and center? Would Hart truly prefer a leftist pragmatist appeaser to a "compassionate conservative" ideologue? He does not say, but certainly his words will be used as fodder toward electing a congress of appeasers by politically softening up the President from his right flank.

Yes, I held my nose when I voted for this president. Yes, there are things that disappoint me. But I can't understand how on earth we worked ourselves into such a funk with the economic growth rates up, unemployment down, and things basically humming along on the domestic front. Is it the war? OK. 2001 terrorist-supporting nations: Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Lebanon. 2006 terrorist-supporting nations: Iran and Syria. We are winning this thing and letting the MSM and Dims capture defeat from the throes of victory.

Pretty soon we are going to have to buck up and get to work on winning this election. I, for one, intend to remain part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

10 posted on 08/30/2006 1:21:56 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: Fiji Hill
For Hobbes, man’s heart was savage. In the mythic pre-social “state of nature,” life was “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.” That required the restraints of strong government. For Locke, in contrast, “the state of nature has a law of nature to govern it … and reason … is that law.” Thus the restraints of government could be mild. Perhaps Hobbes was conservative, Locke liberal.

I stopped reading right here. First of all I could debate his synopsis of both Hobbes and Lockes ideologies. However, even if his synopsis was accurate, he then goes further stating that Hobbes was a conservative and Locke was a liberal when by the very synopsis he gave demonstrates that the opposite is true. Unless of course he is talking about the definitions of liberal and conservative that existed in the 18th making his whole essay rather pointless. Talk about your "ideologues remote from fact".
14 posted on 08/30/2006 1:33:13 PM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Fiji Hill

This isn't conservative, this is from pat buchanan's political rag, which means neo-populist national socialism.


15 posted on 08/30/2006 1:35:02 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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