Teachers urged to tolerate swearing

Daily Press (Victorville CA) ^ | Sunday, August 27, 2006 | By HILLARY BORRUD / Staff Writer

[betsyross1776]

More tolerent. How much more you want? In another post, we have the muslim students endorsed a hate site. How much more do you want American parents to move over ? I am not moving any more! If they want to swear in school then go to schools that allow it. But my tax dollars are paying for schools , I want my kids and grand kids to to a school where they learn such things as the three rs. Reading riting and rithmetic. That is what you send a kid to school for . Let us have swearing schools and non swearing schools, a new one for civial rights!

[NeoCaveman]

solve for muthaf***in' x!"

No f*#$in' way.

:^)

[San Jacinto]

I know exactly what you are talking about. It is very sad that kids from 'tough backgrounds' are expected to use vile language, show complete disrespect, and have that simply accepted. However, when you see these kids, you kind of understand. By the time they are high school age, it's a lost cause to expect much from a lot of them.

Here's a school reform that will never get off the ground, but would help. Mandatory education should be reduced from 12 years to 10 years. After the 10th grade, you get a certificate, and you are free to get the hell out. The 11th and 12th grade would still be provided, but on a different campus and only available to the students who wanted to attend. Behavorial guidelines would be altogether different for the 11th and 12th grade. In order to get the high school diploma, you must toe the line--or be shown the door. Any free education after the 10th grade would be a privilege, not a right.

The teacher's unions and the civil rights activists would never allow it. They have pretty much doomed public education in the big cities anyway.

[carolinalivin]

This new policy is obviously aimed at preparing our tykes for entry into the job market, where some court will have made it okay to swear at your employer.

[photodawg]

I told him , I'm the adult and teacher and there IS NO other side to be heard . I walked out and head sh*t about it from him for a week afterwards.
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After I broke up the fight, I didn't even think another thought about it. I picked the largest student (about 140 lbs) and put him in a head lock then marched him to the office as I released the arm around his neck and just held on to his arm from behind.I knew I used reasonable restraint and acted responsibly. I didn't even know the kid's name, as he wasn't one of my students. The next morning I came to work and was called down to the office. The kid was there in a surgical collar with this father. I had to explain what happened in front of the kid , his dad, the principal and the guidance counselor. When done the father started to argue. At that point I got up, said the meeting was over and left the office. A few hours later a police officer came to take a statement because the kid's dad had pressed charges. When I finished, the officer said " I would have done exactly what you did except I would have used a night stick. I wasn't even arrested. A few days later I was named as defendant along with the school system, in a civil suit.

[PiccoloPete]

You are so correct..I am a teacher and we are told by the administration to try and overlook students who use profanity..Only problem is other pupils believe they can get away with the same behavior (many students direct their "pristine" language at the teacher)..Pretty soon you lose control of your class..This is one reason why teachers are opting out of the profession..Thanks..

[Kokojmudd]

Isn't Cindy &*%$#&@ Sheehan from Victorville?

[ClaireSolt]

I wonder if you think teachers should be armed? When I see instances of schools attached by gunmen I wince at the fact that we compell hundreds of children to be in those buildings like innocents going to the slaughter. Wouldn't it be better if at least some personnel were capable of taking those loonies out?

Here's how I translate the Superintendant's message to the teachers. Don't bother us by sending kids to the office. And, and photodawg said, teachers have to handle problems in the clasroom. That's what I was taught in ed school, and what I practiced. However, saying so caused a lot of outrage on a thread recently, and I don't want to go through it again. Good classroom manmagement is a prerequisite to learning, though.

[stripes1776]

“We need to see ourselves as teachers and adults in the classroom,” Weaver said, “but we shouldn’t see ourselves as dictators, where students see themselves as far less than the teacher.”

"What? I say, my foot my tutor?" -- Prospero

[Biblebelter]

“We need to see ourselves as teachers and adults in the classroom,” Weaver said, “but we shouldn’t see ourselves as dictators, where students see themselves as far less than the teacher.”

Translation: Do not present yourself as an authority figure of any kind. Today's youth have no authority figures at home or anywhere else in their lives. Since they have been indoctrinated not to submit to any kind of authority, why cause conflict? As schools we are merely well funded government holding pens, passing time until they drop out and become wards of the other branches of the social welfare state.

[photodawg]

Here's a school reform that will never get off the ground, but would help. Mandatory education should be reduced from 12 years to 10 years. After the 10th grade, you get a certificate, and you are free to get the hell out.
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Why mandatory public education at all? In most of the world education is thought of as a privilege. In America its thought of as a jail sentence. No one has a "right" to a free public education. You suggestion would be a step in the right direction.

[Centurion2000]

Culberson, director of youth services for the San Bernardino City Unified School District, said at a back-to-school inservice meeting that students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school and consequently, some teachers have unrealistic expectations of their students.

The students can comply or they can get the hell out of class. that is the expectation that should be implemented.

[ClaireSolt]

One day a teenage boy in a Geography class said to me that he sure would like to see what I would say if the brakes gave out in my car when I was driving down a hill. He ventured the opinion that the veneer of correct grammar ould slip away and I would speak like he did. LOL

[gun_supporter]

Ridiculous, i cant believe these people. Oh wait...yes i can.

[photodawg]

Good classroom manmagement is a prerequisite to learning, though.

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Good student behavior is a prerequisite to good classroom management. The schools are a reflection of the community and the family structure.

[WakeUpAndVote]

Good thing I had my flame resistant under ware on.

I did put a /s at the end of the comment (end sarcasm)

[brytlea]

Amazing. I had a zero tolerance for being sworn at with my HS students. And they knew it. People who think like this so called educator are setting these kids up to fail later in life when their bosses won't just attempt not to rile them up. Sad.
susie

[brytlea]

Excellent point. It really is racist to assume that people of other races cannot act in a civilized manner. And, I had many non-white students and they were quite capable of behaving themselves.
susie

[brytlea]

Thank you for the translation! :)
susie

[sonic109]

What complete bullsh*t. I argue with people on FR all the time who think teaching is a pushover job , simmers off etc..The same people wouldn't last 1 afternoon in an urban classroom. The kids in my school are lucky. We have teachers who go WAY out of their way to help them out . Yet there is always some real wise asses in any school. I tell the kids I was a punk neighborhood kid before they were born and they are in MY house . I have very little trouble and for the most part I have a ball with the kids while we all learn and work. I have a reputation now afdter 10 years . "he's a cool teacher but don't DIS him " I've had kids beg to come back to my class after officially dumping them .