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Clinton, Giuliani Top Poll As Presidential Nominees
Belleville News via New York Daily News ^ | 8/30/06

Posted on 08/30/2006 5:10:30 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: MrEdd

Those are idiots. There are large numbers of idiots here too.


41 posted on 08/30/2006 8:14:24 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Blackirish

Another day another poll "shoving" Guiliani down our innocent throats. Yawn.


42 posted on 08/30/2006 8:15:39 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: tkathy

Reagan was unique in that he had decades of tv time to prepare people to like him. This was what disarmed his critics and people could not bring themselves to hate the man who had spent Sunday nights in our living rooms introducing good tv shows. Or who had brought us Death Valley Days tales of good vs evil. His politics were not that different from many conservatives and he was no fanatic but knew when he had to compromise to get the job done. Reagan whould be a huge fan of the President as is his widow.


43 posted on 08/30/2006 8:19:19 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I agree. My point was Reagan's name recognition, enormous likeability and appeal to moderates and even democrats were the reason he was elected.


44 posted on 08/30/2006 8:35:40 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: areafiftyone

The Real Rudy Giuliani:

Read more about Giuliani's liberal positions here and here.

Some people want Republicans to ignore his liberalism on almost every issue and, as a distraction, they try to pretend that Rudy is fiscally conservative. Again, his record shows that he isn't fiscally conservative either:

According to an article in The Nation from 2002:

It's now apparent that Giuliani purchased the city's good times partially with borrowed money and left his successor, Mike Bloomberg, holding a bag of debt. New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office. This mismanagement of prosperity is a big part of his legacy. Giuliani left the city's finances in a mess...

Here are some things Giuliani did as Mayor that were NOT anywhere near being fiscally conservative:

  • New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office.
  • Added 25,000 government employees patronage hires to the city's payroll after promising to cut the work force.
  • Giuliani's borrowing practices increased the city's debt burden by 50 percent.
  • Partly because of Giuliani, New York City is now the biggest debtor in the nation outside of the federal government with $42 billion in loans outstanding.

According to the article from The Nation:

During the 1960s Giuliani was a self-described "Robert Kennedy Democrat." He identified with RFK as a liberal Catholic prosecutor. He volunteered for RFK's 1968 presidential campaign while he was a student at NYU Law School. Giuliani also voted for George McGovern in 1972. During the liberal 1960s, he was a liberal.

But in 1975 Giuliani switched his party registration from Democrat to Independent when he got a job in Gerald Ford's Justice Department, according to his mentor Harold "Ace" Tyler.

On December 8, 1980, Giuliani changed his registration from Independent to Republican. This was one month after Ronald Reagan's election, and just as he was applying for a top job in the Justice Department.

So, to sum that up:

He's a liberal. He's not even in the same building as conservative. He's only a Republican because...and this comes from his own mother, Helen Giuliani:

"He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't..."

And as John Hawkins put it in an excellent article in Human Events:

Despite all of his charisma and the wonderful leadership he showed after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is not a Reagan Republican. To the contrary, Giuliani is another Christie Todd Whitman, another Arlen Specter, another Olympia Snowe. He's a throwback to the "bad old days" before Reagan, when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Trying to revive that failed strategy again is likely to lead to a Democratic President in 2008 and numerous setbacks for the Republican Party.


45 posted on 08/30/2006 11:36:38 AM PDT by Spiff (Death before Dhimmitude)
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46 posted on 08/30/2006 12:04:53 PM PDT by redstates4ever
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To: Spiff
I think that a Conservative is going to need to rise to the top, perhaps Newt Gingrich.

There are too many like myself (and you) who simply could not vote for Rudy, even in a general election.

Those who are so high on Rudy need to remember how liberal he really is, not to mention what is going to happen to the Supreme Court when he nominates judges. Also in consideration should be voters like myself, who will simply refuse to take vacation days on Mondays and Tuesdays during election week to get-out-the-vote, etc. You can count on a temporary divorce from the GOP from many like myself if they should make such a mistake of a nomination.

Losing a lot of grassroots guys will hurt, even if Rudy wins. Try getting anything done with Rudy as President and 56 Democrats in the Senate and Nancy Pelosi running the House.....because as far as I'm concerned to HELL with the GOP if they nominate someone this inexcusably, RIDICULOUSLY liberal for President.

Rudy backers need to take a deep breath and realize the true cost - the true long-term cost - of Conservative values if he wins the nod.

Why the HELL would I, a social/moral/cultural Conservative, donate one dollar or one single second of effort to such a party? I'd probably be working as hard as I could to see to the DEFEAT of Rudy just so we could cut our losses in the short-run in order to save the greater cause. And that goes for any Senator or Congressman who supports him.

Probably EVERY GOP candidate will strongly defend this country, just like Rudy. So why the hell would anyone support Rudy when there are 1000 more Conservative Republicans to vote for to represent us?

I just don't get it. And I really hope I don't have to renounce the GOP for 4-8 years in the hopes that a party which has now proven that they can nominate a liberal and win will suddenly decide to take a hard right turn and go back to the base. This party already believes Conservatives can't win Senate races - just wait till they only nominate Liberals for President.

Seriously, these Rudy nymphos have got to pull it together and realize what the hell it REALLY means to nominate Rudy Giuliani.
47 posted on 08/30/2006 2:33:37 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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