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1 posted on 08/30/2006 4:53:11 AM PDT by Marius3188
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Nanny statism soon to cross the big pond!


2 posted on 08/30/2006 4:58:29 AM PDT by CSM ("The fatter we get as a country the more concerned we get about smoking" - ichabod1)
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Under the same mentality - they should deny fertility treatment to stupid people too, because stupitity puts added risk to preganancy (and really any aspect of life), and who wants stupid people to have children anyway? The child would be doomed. Then again - with the fact that apparently there is a genetic link to stupidity, we wouldn't want stupid people reproducing anyway.... you know, survival of the fittest....




Do I really need a [/sarcsm]?


3 posted on 08/30/2006 4:59:35 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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so the sign outside the fertility clinic will read "No Fat Chicks"?


4 posted on 08/30/2006 5:08:25 AM PDT by CzarNicky (In the magical land of unicorns there's no need for clothes.)
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No Fat Chicks!!


5 posted on 08/30/2006 5:11:38 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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This isn't bad policy. If IVF infertility treatment (i.e. test tube babies) has a very low success rate on obese women with fertility issues, it does not make sense to spend a small fortune on such cases. Basically the NHS is saying that this treatment isn't going to work for fat women so we shouldn't waste time and money on it. Especially since it is not a life-and-death situation. What I don't like is the use of BMI to set medical policiy because it is only a superficial measurement with a poor correlation to body fat.


7 posted on 08/30/2006 5:34:33 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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Most men already deny fertility treatment to obese women.


8 posted on 08/30/2006 5:56:29 AM PDT by SampleMan
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Doesn't anybody see that socialized healthcare is the end of personal freedom? The minute government starts picking up the tab for your health, you're going to find some guy in a black suit and sunglasses peering over your shoulder t McDonald's...

"Oh, you got the DOUBLE cheeseburger didn't you, you fat slob? Didn't your cholesterol come back with a freaking exponent on the end of it? Give me that you gastropod. Here, have a fruit and walnut salad or whatever other pseudo-healthy swill Mickey D's is pushing this week."

10 posted on 08/30/2006 6:19:19 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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Two things here:

1. Many medical procedures require the patient to adhere to basic requirements for success of the procedure. I don't see this as a nanny state issue.

2. I have a relative who weighs 400 lbs and she has many issues because of her obesity problem. She complains very loudly that she goes in to see a doctor for a sore foot and gets a lecture on losing weight and how the weight contributes to her poor health. She is so dedicated to being obese and her right to be obese that she won't listen to doctors, family and friends that she is killing herself with food. I don't know how to get her or others like her to look at what they are doing to themselves.

If you want to be fat then you have to live with the consequences what ever they maybe!


12 posted on 08/30/2006 6:34:28 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Animal Rights Activist Advisory: No French Person Was Injured In The Writing Of This Post)
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The real problem is socialized medicine.

These procedures have a very low rate of success for obese women. Tax payers shouldn't have to spend a fortune trying to provide such services which are not required medical care and also have a low rate of success.

They shouldn't be paying for these kind of elective medical procedures for anyone.

Dump the whole socialized fertility treatment, and take the government out of the role of who can or cannot receive fertility treatment other than possibly regulations regarding cases which pose a genuinely high risk to the prospective mother and/or children.

Even in cases that pose a high risk to the mother, it might be reasonable to only require that the prospective mother be made fully aware of the risks and be reasonably capable of understanding those risks.

13 posted on 08/30/2006 7:01:00 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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Uh, many women who are overweight and infertile are both of those things for the same reason - Polycystic Ovarian Syndrom or PCOS. It's a hormonal disorder that not only causes women to stop ovulating but handles sugars incorrectly so that the classic low-fat high-carb diet doesn't help them lose weight.
15 posted on 08/30/2006 8:20:26 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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Fat people didn't stand up for smokers. Now it's their turn.


16 posted on 08/30/2006 8:21:37 AM PDT by mysterio
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"Very obese women should be denied fertility treatment, experts say."

See now, this is not a true statement. What they actually said was that they should be denied fertility treatment that the rest of us have to pay for.

19 posted on 08/30/2006 9:10:12 AM PDT by Canard
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What's the next step? Deny Jews welfare?


21 posted on 08/30/2006 10:50:31 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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Welcome to the happy world of Eugenics. The State is omnipotent and knows best who should breed and who shouldn't. The next phase is forced sterilization of irresponsible people who eat too much, followed by post-natal birth control.


23 posted on 08/30/2006 11:35:21 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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How did this outbreak of sanity occur?


24 posted on 08/30/2006 11:36:31 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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