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CA: What the Founding Fathers Gave, Arnold Takes Away . . .
Flash Report ^ | August 29, 2006 | Karen England

Posted on 08/29/2006 9:27:23 AM PDT by calcowgirl

Over 200 years ago our Founding Fathers changed history when they, with the stroke of their pens, declared that the United States would not only recognize, but protect citizens’ freedoms of religion and speech.

Yesterday, with the stroke of his pen, Governor Schwarzenegger declared that such freedoms are subject to the approval of a politically correct government. By signing SB 1441 (Kuehl-D) into law, the Governor decided that certain Constitutional freedoms will not be protected in the state of California.

SB 1441 adds sexual orientation (actual or perceived) and gender identity (actual or perceived) to the list of protected classes under California law prohibiting discrimination. According to the State Senate’s legislative analysis, “This clarification would greatly expand the effect this bill would have on programs and services provided or paid for by the state or a state agency.”

To enforce these new protections, the state may withhold funding from any organization that “discriminates” against homosexuals, transgenders, bisexuals, or anyone’s gender (actual or perceived). Now, under California law, simply living out your faith is considered discriminatory.

As applied, this legislation would prevent parochial schools, private schools, Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Mormon, and many other religious universities, from receiving student financial assistance if they also maintain a student code of conduct preventing behavior deemed immoral by their religious beliefs.

In order to receive a CalGrant for your child’s education, you may no longer send your child to a religious school. This will put an unbelievable strain on California families as they will be forced to choose between their deeply-held religious beliefs and affording a college education for their children. If legislators truly desire diversity in California, religious institutions should receive the same equal protections sought by radical homosexual activists. Instead, with the signing of SB 1441, religious rights are secondary to the special rights created by this new law.

Instead of using their resources to educate future leaders, these schools will now be forced to defend themselves in discrimination lawsuits brought by the male teacher who perceives himself as female and wears a dress to school.

For those who still don’t believe that there is a radical homosexual agenda, keep in mind that the characteristics added to the protected list are designed to target people of faith alone. After all, who will be most directly affected by this legislation? Private schools, religious institutions, and faith-based businesses.

According to the State Senate’s legislative analysis, “the impact of this bill is both wide-ranging and deep.” Government services affected by this new law include police and fire protection, recreational programs, social services, health care clinics, and, of course, public schools.

This bill is yet another step towards discriminating against citizens with moral and religious principles who desire to express their beliefs and educate their children according to those beliefs. SB 1441 will inevitably result in reverse discrimination where individuals, organizations and businesses are discriminated against because of their bona fide religious convictions.

In creating special rights for a few, Arnold denies fundamental rights for the rest of us.


TOPICS: Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1441; caglbt; callegislation; censorship; homosexualagenda
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To: dcam
Hey pal, it's my religion too. My point is that you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder and that name calling is not the way to win friends and influence people. What would Jesus do?

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I don't have a "chip"; I have a legitimate grievance. It's not just a hypothetical exercise for my family, as it is with 95% of the folks posting here. The policy change referenced in this thread, for example, will almost certainly defund my daughter's CALGRANT this year. I'm not sure how we can cover the additional $5,000 in January. This is real to me.

Second, it's not "my religion". Christianity is "my relationship", with God and with other Christians.

What would Jesus do? Well, he might say:

Matt 7:5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Or, maybe:

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Or possibly even:

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Not everyone who claims "Hey... I got the religion too.. and you're a hypocrite.." are really what they say or think they are. But, hey, God Bless you, bro! Keep the "faith", whatever the metaphysical heck that may be. You're better at it than I am.

SFS

81 posted on 08/29/2006 12:00:49 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

> how is your comment about "Gubmint" defunding of organizations at all constructive.

It's called "conservativism."

> That policy amounts to an "income transfer", from Christians to the rest of secular society

How so? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't churches tax exempt?


82 posted on 08/29/2006 12:03:12 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

Excuse me, but why can't your daughter work and make up the difference herself?

Kids who earn their own education appreciate it better.


83 posted on 08/29/2006 12:04:13 PM PDT by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: dcam
My demand was serious. You seem so adamant in your assertion that you have been wronged because of the name or categorization of your child's school. I figured they must have sent you a letter that said "Christian = unqualified"

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Try this, but consider the source (NYT)

To fully understand the issue, you'll have to review a 100 pages of the discovery litigation documents, as I did. I don't have the immediate reference link for it, but search on "ACSI v. University of California—Calvary Chapel Vista Student".

This reference may be more objective than the NYT

There is enough information out there to do the math. My daughter isn't the only top candidate rejected by the UC schools. And yes, her reject letters did state "unqualified", as if she hadn't attended high school, or fulfilled the college prep requirements, which she certainly did do.

SFS

84 posted on 08/29/2006 12:12:22 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

Thanks for the links, I'll look at them a bit later. I had similar problems back in the early 80s, since I had spent a year abroad in an "unrecognized" private, foreign-exchange program. They didn't want to accept many of the courses on my transcript (even though some of the courses were taught by ivy league university professors). So, I went to a private Christian college instead.


85 posted on 08/29/2006 12:18:56 PM PDT by rivercat (Welcome to California. Now go home.)
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To: dcam
One more thing from that OPED:

"Until we know all of the facts behind UC's decision-making, it's hard to sort out why some of these Calvary courses were rejected. "

That's a lack of due diligence on the part of the author. The discovery documents prove what the UC's thinking is, i.e. the "facts behind UC's decision-making", because ACSI's lawyers required the UC to indicate, chapter by chapter, and book by book, what was "unqualified", and the obliged by citing every, single Christian related reference, ignoring the balance of the book's coverage of the subject. Rather than pointing out what was inaccurate academically, or what might be missing, they pointed to religious references, every single time.

Folks on FR think either that (a) I'm making this up, (b) I'm exaggerating, or (c) they're cheering the UC on because they feel Christians and their Creation Science have no place in academia.

And then they wonder why some of us "have a chip on our shoulder".

SFS

86 posted on 08/29/2006 12:21:00 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: calcowgirl
The Gay Agenda is no longer live and let live for a minority. Its about enlisting the state in the Gay Lobby's and by the extension, the Left's war on religion and traditional values in our society. It is more than just about eliminating religion from the public square; its about eliminating religion altogether.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

87 posted on 08/29/2006 12:24:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Carry_Okie
And yet - its constitutional. Don't like it, don't take the money or participate in a public service or benefit.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

88 posted on 08/29/2006 12:25:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ECM
How about a 3rd party protest vote? The RINO's will realize they lost one. If there was a mass shift from GOP to libertarian or constitution parties this would get attention, as opposed to sitting it out.
89 posted on 08/29/2006 12:33:20 PM PDT by caresistance
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To: goldstategop
And yet - its constitutional. Don't like it, don't take the money or participate in a public service or benefit.

Your synagogue has its own fire department?

90 posted on 08/29/2006 12:53:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: caresistance
The only way a third party would be successful is if a significant candidate, and I can't think of any person alive in the USA, let alone California, took the lead. We're talking of guys with the kind of stature of a Washington or Lincoln.

People will not bother coming to the polls for someone they perceive as a "sure loser". The guy would have to inspire both the confidence and will to win.

Ironically, Arnie is using the GOP as a vehicle to become that kind of candidate, by being the "anti-GOP" RINO within the GOP. Well, Arnie hasn't got the integrity, credibility, or policy judgment to lead anything; he's a one term Govenator. His current staff of Democrats is preparing the statehouse for their next donkey candidate, but Arnie is too dense to realize it.

SFS

91 posted on 08/29/2006 2:31:43 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: orionblamblam

RE: now Cal may not fund vouchers for religious schools, orionblamblam wrote: "And this is a problem because....

The more organizations the Gubmint fails to fund, the better."

I agree. We already pay enough taxes for public schools. Have I got to pay even more to send peoples kids to private school? If private citizens want private schools, religious or secular, for their kids, they should damn well pay for it themselves.


92 posted on 08/29/2006 2:37:48 PM PDT by CTMRIop (True conservatives keep the feds OUT of their lives.)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
The two party system is designed to keep 3rd parties perceived as "sure losers", we need to have the courage to pursue another path. Realizing that we may not win in "08", but that we are building a movement that rejects the dishonesty and callous disregard of the people that the governing socialist elitist presently exhibit. I understand this may be difficult due to the education the sheeple presently receive, and the relative affluence of our society. I believe that we are going to face severe economic problems in years to come, and that could provide an impetus for people to abandon,or simply consider alternatives to the two party system.
93 posted on 08/29/2006 2:54:46 PM PDT by caresistance
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To: calcowgirl

Remind me again why Regan called the Soviet Union the "Evil Empire"?


94 posted on 08/29/2006 3:09:08 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

California's a pretty state, but I live in Ohio. It's not perfect, but it's still easier to be a Christian here.


95 posted on 08/29/2006 3:12:10 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

California's a pretty state, but I live in Ohio. It's not perfect, but it's still easier to be a Christian here.


96 posted on 08/29/2006 3:12:11 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Carry_Okie
Then tell the Supreme Court you changed your mind about tying military recruitment visits to university campuses to federal financial aid. Like I said, its constitutional.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

97 posted on 08/29/2006 3:36:48 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Then tell the Supreme Court you changed your mind about tying military recruitment visits to university campuses to federal financial aid.

There is no protection for 'free exercise of universities' like there is for religion.

Like I said, its constitutional.

No, it's not.

98 posted on 08/29/2006 3:43:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie; goldstategop

The lunatics running the CA Gneral Assembly should serve as a reminder to the rest of the nation of what's in store should the RATS ever gain complete control of Washington D.C. The next steps are to revoke the tax-exempt status of churches who promote Biblical morality and demand churches that pushed anti-gay amendments to pay reparations.


99 posted on 08/29/2006 5:52:33 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool
If Canada is any indication, we're in for some rough "harmonization."
100 posted on 08/29/2006 6:12:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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