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CA: What the Founding Fathers Gave, Arnold Takes Away . . .
Flash Report ^ | August 29, 2006 | Karen England

Posted on 08/29/2006 9:27:23 AM PDT by calcowgirl

Over 200 years ago our Founding Fathers changed history when they, with the stroke of their pens, declared that the United States would not only recognize, but protect citizens’ freedoms of religion and speech.

Yesterday, with the stroke of his pen, Governor Schwarzenegger declared that such freedoms are subject to the approval of a politically correct government. By signing SB 1441 (Kuehl-D) into law, the Governor decided that certain Constitutional freedoms will not be protected in the state of California.

SB 1441 adds sexual orientation (actual or perceived) and gender identity (actual or perceived) to the list of protected classes under California law prohibiting discrimination. According to the State Senate’s legislative analysis, “This clarification would greatly expand the effect this bill would have on programs and services provided or paid for by the state or a state agency.”

To enforce these new protections, the state may withhold funding from any organization that “discriminates” against homosexuals, transgenders, bisexuals, or anyone’s gender (actual or perceived). Now, under California law, simply living out your faith is considered discriminatory.

As applied, this legislation would prevent parochial schools, private schools, Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Mormon, and many other religious universities, from receiving student financial assistance if they also maintain a student code of conduct preventing behavior deemed immoral by their religious beliefs.

In order to receive a CalGrant for your child’s education, you may no longer send your child to a religious school. This will put an unbelievable strain on California families as they will be forced to choose between their deeply-held religious beliefs and affording a college education for their children. If legislators truly desire diversity in California, religious institutions should receive the same equal protections sought by radical homosexual activists. Instead, with the signing of SB 1441, religious rights are secondary to the special rights created by this new law.

Instead of using their resources to educate future leaders, these schools will now be forced to defend themselves in discrimination lawsuits brought by the male teacher who perceives himself as female and wears a dress to school.

For those who still don’t believe that there is a radical homosexual agenda, keep in mind that the characteristics added to the protected list are designed to target people of faith alone. After all, who will be most directly affected by this legislation? Private schools, religious institutions, and faith-based businesses.

According to the State Senate’s legislative analysis, “the impact of this bill is both wide-ranging and deep.” Government services affected by this new law include police and fire protection, recreational programs, social services, health care clinics, and, of course, public schools.

This bill is yet another step towards discriminating against citizens with moral and religious principles who desire to express their beliefs and educate their children according to those beliefs. SB 1441 will inevitably result in reverse discrimination where individuals, organizations and businesses are discriminated against because of their bona fide religious convictions.

In creating special rights for a few, Arnold denies fundamental rights for the rest of us.


TOPICS: Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1441; caglbt; callegislation; censorship; homosexualagenda
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To: dcam; calcowgirl; orionblamblam
The more organizations the Gubmint fails to fund, the better.

Exactly!

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That's fine, defund all school related activities, give my kids a voucher allowing them to get an education (primary school for the younger kids; college for my own kids) at the educational institution of their choice. Or, for the true libertarians, remove public funding of education altogether, and give me my tax money back.

Except, of course, that won't happen. There will be no vouchers, regardless of how many times "pilot programs" prove that they work. There will be no charter schools, once the threat of vouchers are gone. There will be no CALGRANT's, reduced interest loans, or other government funded benefits for Christians and other religious people.

So, how is your comment about "Gubmint" defunding of organizations at all constructive. Unless, of course, you favor government discrimination against religious people. That policy amounts to an "income transfer", from Christians to the rest of secular society, and that's better than Christians getting equal funding with other citizens? What a leftist shill ....

SFS

41 posted on 08/29/2006 10:25:20 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: calcowgirl

Well, well well.....we impeached the last waste of skin. What makes Arnie think he can't be impeached as well? :I'm just sayin'.:


42 posted on 08/29/2006 10:25:51 AM PDT by RobinWWJD
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To: dcam

I think I'm one of the most outspoken on the pork and waste in the State's budget
and the fiscally irresponsible ballot measures.

Can I assume you'll be voting against all of the bond measures?


43 posted on 08/29/2006 10:30:52 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
What a leftist shill ....

Okay, let's resort to name calling! That's mighty Christian of you.

44 posted on 08/29/2006 10:32:45 AM PDT by rivercat (Welcome to California. Now go home.)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
You said it very well. And the reasons you list are but a small reason why me and mine are getting the hell out of California.

And all those RINOs who insist that we must support a liberal "Republican" need to be told to get on board with an honest-to-God conservative for a change. Any time we side with a RINO, we may as well just have a Democrat 'cause they both crank out the same bad style of governing.

45 posted on 08/29/2006 10:32:45 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the kind.)
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To: calcowgirl

Very soon now there will be laws passed restricting speech in these matters (as already exist in some European countries and Canada). These will no doubt be challenged in court. Will the courts uphold the Constitution? Given the decay of this culture and the utter disregard of so many for the ideals and heritage bequeathed to us by the Founders I find that the answer to that question is far from certain.


46 posted on 08/29/2006 10:33:43 AM PDT by scory
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To: calcowgirl
Can I assume you'll be voting against all of the bond measures?

I always vote against tax and bonds measures.

47 posted on 08/29/2006 10:34:23 AM PDT by rivercat (Welcome to California. Now go home.)
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To: dcam
I always vote against tax and bonds measures.

Bump to that!

48 posted on 08/29/2006 10:38:40 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Is double bumping anything like "double clutching?"


49 posted on 08/29/2006 10:40:32 AM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
She was denied entry because she was a Christian

Please post a copy of the letter from the five UC schools that states that she was denied admission because she is Christian. My baby sister graduated from a private christian school with similar grades and she was accepted everywhere she applied. She chose Berkeley, and now she's in med school at Penn State.

50 posted on 08/29/2006 10:40:54 AM PDT by rivercat (Welcome to California. Now go home.)
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To: SierraWasp

I dunno! I don't know what that is! lol.


51 posted on 08/29/2006 10:44:25 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for the hysteria. What makes you or anyone believe that something this wrong will stand?

And what is your purpose in singling out poor Arnold? He's neither a lawyer or a legislator nor much of a politician if his record is any indication?

Why not focus on the true disreputable scoundrels who are cooking up these dreadful assaults on all of us?

Or doesn't that fit your "HateArnold" mission well enough?


52 posted on 08/29/2006 10:44:29 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: calcowgirl
I am truly stunned! I knew it was bad, but I had no idea how bad!

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It's part of a larger issue. There's a law suit between a private school and the Association of Christian Schools International (ACSI) and the UC. The UC claims that any book by certain national (i.e. Christian orientated) publishers is "unqualified" by UC standards. If a school uses those books, the kids that graduate from those schools are "unqualified" a priori, regardless of what their transcripts or SAT scores indicate.

Even that doesn't sound too bad, i.e. kids who are taught religion rather than Literature, History, Math and Science won't be qualified for higher education. However, until one delves deep into the discovery interviews caused by the law suit, you won't understand what's going on. The plaintiffs sat across from the UC professors who set the policy, and went chapter by chapter through the rejected textbooks, to find out what was deemed objectionable by the UC. Every book that had any reference to a Bible versus, or a Christian religious term, was summarily rejected with "that's religion..". So, if a history book included historically accurate items about George Washington that referenced his religious beliefs, or cited one of his prayer, or if a math book started each day's lesson with a "scripture for today" creating relevance between the study of math and a person's faith, the UC professor rejected the textbook. It's not just the old "evolution versus creation science" argument, though that's part of the mix. It's ALL TEXTBOOKS IN ALL AREAS OF STUDY. The UC system is using it's clout to set the national standard, to "secularize" the national education curriculum. And they will succeed unless defeated by this law suit, because California publishes so many books that California texts are the defacto national standard.

I've had other FReepers reply back that "I'm a teacher, I've reviewed some of those books, and they're garbage". Take it with a grain of salt. We have die-hard Darwinian evolutionist on FR who feel my daughter SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INTO A UNIVERSITY because she's studied both Darwin and Creation Science. They've said it in writing. Their religious belief in evolution trumps everything else, including my daughter's rights as an American citizen.

Anyhow, it's a long story, not relevant for this thread, but it's true. I contacted the governor's office about the issue, and his staff wouldn't discuss it. Arnie is the motivating factor behind both the UC policy, and this latest law defunding private university students. It's his policy. He owns it, 100%.

SFS

53 posted on 08/29/2006 10:45:09 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: ECM
"Howl all you want Freepers, I am now sitting out the election for governor in the state of California this year."

Even though you din't address that to me, you'll certainly git no "howls" from over here! We had decided not to vote for either major candidate in the Governor slot quite some time ago!!! (we=Mrs. Wasp & I)

54 posted on 08/29/2006 10:45:57 AM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: dcam

I think you are right.


55 posted on 08/29/2006 10:46:45 AM PDT by Alia
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To: calcowgirl
"He did the same thing last year signing a bunch of onerous GLBT legislation, people just weren't paying attention."

I'm beginning to think Arnoiled himself is GAY!!!

This certainly is queer behavior!!!

56 posted on 08/29/2006 10:49:37 AM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

So you're opposed to Gov. Arnold - even though "Gov. Greek Guy" would be even worse?


57 posted on 08/29/2006 10:52:21 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: doodlelady

Stifle, Edith and git me a beer!!!


58 posted on 08/29/2006 10:53:19 AM PDT by SierraWasp (With government as your savior from disaster, it must first be your master!!!)
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To: SierraWasp; ElkGroveDan
I'm beginning to think Arnoiled himself is GAY!!! ""

One of his top aides is a female gay, if I've heard correctly. But the Greek guy who's running against him would be even worse (sorry, I'm not familiar enough with California politics to remember the guy's name - I'm not trying to slam Greeks.)

59 posted on 08/29/2006 10:54:13 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: CBart95
Thanks for the hysteria.

What hysteria would that be? Posting an article about legislation signed by the Governor? What exactly did you find "hysterical"?

What makes you or anyone believe that something this wrong will stand?

Because it was signed into law, maybe?

And what is your purpose in singling out poor Arnold?

You mean, the guy that signed it? Gee, I dunno. Maybe because Arnold is the one that signed the bill.

He's neither a lawyer or a legislator nor much of a politician if his record is any indication?

The man has the power of THE VETO. Unfortunately, he has not been adequately coached in how to use it, or just doesn't have the will. Does that make him a girly-man?

Why not focus on the true disreputable scoundrels who are cooking up these dreadful assaults on all of us?

Personally, I do. In every election and every chance I get.

Or doesn't that fit your "HateArnold" mission well enough?

I have no such mission. Do you support his signature on this bill? 100% of the Republican legislators voted against it. Do you think a Governor has any obligation to the principles and platform of the party in which he ran for office?

60 posted on 08/29/2006 10:54:19 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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