Posted on 08/29/2006 9:27:23 AM PDT by calcowgirl
Exactly!
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That's fine, defund all school related activities, give my kids a voucher allowing them to get an education (primary school for the younger kids; college for my own kids) at the educational institution of their choice. Or, for the true libertarians, remove public funding of education altogether, and give me my tax money back.
Except, of course, that won't happen. There will be no vouchers, regardless of how many times "pilot programs" prove that they work. There will be no charter schools, once the threat of vouchers are gone. There will be no CALGRANT's, reduced interest loans, or other government funded benefits for Christians and other religious people.
So, how is your comment about "Gubmint" defunding of organizations at all constructive. Unless, of course, you favor government discrimination against religious people. That policy amounts to an "income transfer", from Christians to the rest of secular society, and that's better than Christians getting equal funding with other citizens? What a leftist shill ....
SFS
Well, well well.....we impeached the last waste of skin. What makes Arnie think he can't be impeached as well? :I'm just sayin'.:
I think I'm one of the most outspoken on the pork and waste in the State's budget
and the fiscally irresponsible ballot measures.
Can I assume you'll be voting against all of the bond measures?
Okay, let's resort to name calling! That's mighty Christian of you.
And all those RINOs who insist that we must support a liberal "Republican" need to be told to get on board with an honest-to-God conservative for a change. Any time we side with a RINO, we may as well just have a Democrat 'cause they both crank out the same bad style of governing.
Very soon now there will be laws passed restricting speech in these matters (as already exist in some European countries and Canada). These will no doubt be challenged in court. Will the courts uphold the Constitution? Given the decay of this culture and the utter disregard of so many for the ideals and heritage bequeathed to us by the Founders I find that the answer to that question is far from certain.
I always vote against tax and bonds measures.
Bump to that!
Is double bumping anything like "double clutching?"
Please post a copy of the letter from the five UC schools that states that she was denied admission because she is Christian. My baby sister graduated from a private christian school with similar grades and she was accepted everywhere she applied. She chose Berkeley, and now she's in med school at Penn State.
I dunno! I don't know what that is! lol.
Thanks for the hysteria. What makes you or anyone believe that something this wrong will stand?
And what is your purpose in singling out poor Arnold? He's neither a lawyer or a legislator nor much of a politician if his record is any indication?
Why not focus on the true disreputable scoundrels who are cooking up these dreadful assaults on all of us?
Or doesn't that fit your "HateArnold" mission well enough?
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It's part of a larger issue. There's a law suit between a private school and the Association of Christian Schools International (ACSI) and the UC. The UC claims that any book by certain national (i.e. Christian orientated) publishers is "unqualified" by UC standards. If a school uses those books, the kids that graduate from those schools are "unqualified" a priori, regardless of what their transcripts or SAT scores indicate.
Even that doesn't sound too bad, i.e. kids who are taught religion rather than Literature, History, Math and Science won't be qualified for higher education. However, until one delves deep into the discovery interviews caused by the law suit, you won't understand what's going on. The plaintiffs sat across from the UC professors who set the policy, and went chapter by chapter through the rejected textbooks, to find out what was deemed objectionable by the UC. Every book that had any reference to a Bible versus, or a Christian religious term, was summarily rejected with "that's religion..". So, if a history book included historically accurate items about George Washington that referenced his religious beliefs, or cited one of his prayer, or if a math book started each day's lesson with a "scripture for today" creating relevance between the study of math and a person's faith, the UC professor rejected the textbook. It's not just the old "evolution versus creation science" argument, though that's part of the mix. It's ALL TEXTBOOKS IN ALL AREAS OF STUDY. The UC system is using it's clout to set the national standard, to "secularize" the national education curriculum. And they will succeed unless defeated by this law suit, because California publishes so many books that California texts are the defacto national standard.
I've had other FReepers reply back that "I'm a teacher, I've reviewed some of those books, and they're garbage". Take it with a grain of salt. We have die-hard Darwinian evolutionist on FR who feel my daughter SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INTO A UNIVERSITY because she's studied both Darwin and Creation Science. They've said it in writing. Their religious belief in evolution trumps everything else, including my daughter's rights as an American citizen.
Anyhow, it's a long story, not relevant for this thread, but it's true. I contacted the governor's office about the issue, and his staff wouldn't discuss it. Arnie is the motivating factor behind both the UC policy, and this latest law defunding private university students. It's his policy. He owns it, 100%.
SFS
Even though you din't address that to me, you'll certainly git no "howls" from over here! We had decided not to vote for either major candidate in the Governor slot quite some time ago!!! (we=Mrs. Wasp & I)
I think you are right.
I'm beginning to think Arnoiled himself is GAY!!!
This certainly is queer behavior!!!
So you're opposed to Gov. Arnold - even though "Gov. Greek Guy" would be even worse?
Stifle, Edith and git me a beer!!!
One of his top aides is a female gay, if I've heard correctly. But the Greek guy who's running against him would be even worse (sorry, I'm not familiar enough with California politics to remember the guy's name - I'm not trying to slam Greeks.)
What hysteria would that be? Posting an article about legislation signed by the Governor? What exactly did you find "hysterical"?
What makes you or anyone believe that something this wrong will stand?
Because it was signed into law, maybe?
And what is your purpose in singling out poor Arnold?
You mean, the guy that signed it? Gee, I dunno. Maybe because Arnold is the one that signed the bill.
He's neither a lawyer or a legislator nor much of a politician if his record is any indication?
The man has the power of THE VETO. Unfortunately, he has not been adequately coached in how to use it, or just doesn't have the will. Does that make him a girly-man?
Why not focus on the true disreputable scoundrels who are cooking up these dreadful assaults on all of us?
Personally, I do. In every election and every chance I get.
Or doesn't that fit your "HateArnold" mission well enough?
I have no such mission. Do you support his signature on this bill? 100% of the Republican legislators voted against it. Do you think a Governor has any obligation to the principles and platform of the party in which he ran for office?
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