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Webb overtakes Allen in new poll
WAVY TV/Daily Press ^ | 9.28.06 | n/a

Posted on 08/29/2006 9:19:00 AM PDT by meandog

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To: Coop
Before I answer, I want to be clear I agree with your description of "the media-driven racist circus". It's a nothing story, and all it deserved was maybe Allen saying "I'm just kidding" on the spot and that's it.

If Allen walked into re-election, then he'd be fine. But anything but a big win is going to mean Allen is seen as weakened by this. If he walked into re-election then talk would be about 2008. If he barely squeaks through, the story will be "Why should anyone vote for him if he only barely won in his home state?"

I'm the first to say I don't know much about Allen and haven't been too impressed with what I've seen. Again, that's not a lot, but it's more than the average voter has seen, and they don't seem all that impressed, either. He's got a lot of work ahead of him if he's going to get his campaign rolling. You know as well as I how important perception is, and a struggling senator who barely got re-elected (or even had trouble when he should have walked into it like HRC) is going to be seen as damaged goods. If anything, his recent troubles mean some conservatives considering running will be emboldened--which in the end is a good thing, IMHO.

101 posted on 08/29/2006 2:59:35 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: areafiftyone; Coop; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; ...
Allen was winning by 5% over Webb in a Rassmussen poll just a week ago. Jeeze!

Actually that poll was roughly over the same time period. During the same time frame Rasmussen showed a 5 pt. lead for Allen, and SurveyUSA had him up by three.

Remember that this is the same outfit that in 2004 predicted on Election Day that Kerry would get 311 Electoral Votes and that he would take Virginia. Bush won by almost nine points.

For more, here's what a "friend" of mine has to say. The Poll.

102 posted on 08/29/2006 3:09:33 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Coop; TNCMAXQ; Gopher Broke; areafiftyone
Hey Corin, you have the numbers handy. What was the switch in the state Senate and House of Delegates? I believe 2001 was the first time since Reconstruction the GOP had the majority. Is that correct?

I need to keep this on file, but I'm doing it from memory.

We took the State Senate I believe in 1995. It may have been 1997 with Lt. Governor John Hager breaking the tie for the Republicans.

We took the House of Delegates after Jim Gilmore won in 1997. He appointed a long time Dem Delegate to an agency position. A Republican won the special election.

You are also correct (up thread) that in the last 10 Gubernatorial elections it is a tie 5 Republicans, 5 Democrats.

Note that when (RINO Father-in-law of Tim Kaine) was elected in 1969 he was the first Republican elected Governor of Virginia since Reconstruction.

Also note that the Governor just before Holton was Mills Godwin, as a Democrat. After Holton, Godwin ran and won as a Republican. Prior to that Democrats in Virginia were still fairly conservative.

As for the last two Governor's races, we've discussed this ad nauseum. Both Earley in '01 and Kilgore in '05 ran miserably horrible campaigns. But note.

2001
Governor - Mark Warner - D
Lt. Governor - Tim Kaine - D
Attorney General - Jerry Kilgore - R (Kilgore was the top vote getter that year)

2005
Governor - Tim Kaine - D
Lt. Governor - Bill Bolling - R
Attorney General - Bob McDonnell - R

So, although some people never see it, we actually picked up a statewide seat in 05.

Allen will win in November. But it will be closer than initially thought.

I don't care who people are supporting in 2008. We need to get Allen back to the Senate.

I wish some of our "friends" would shut the freep up.

103 posted on 08/29/2006 3:27:16 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: meandog; Coop
I should have pinged you to Post 103

It corrects a great deal of your misinformation.

104 posted on 08/29/2006 3:32:04 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Oops, re 103

Note that when (RINO Father-in-law of Tim Kaine) was elected in 1969 he was the first Republican elected Governor of Virginia since Reconstruction.

should read:

Note that when (RINO Father-in-law of Tim Kaine) Linwood Holton was elected in 1969 he was the first Republican elected Governor of Virginia since Reconstruction.

105 posted on 08/29/2006 3:33:24 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: jack_napier; Coop; Corin Stormhands

>I've seen a LOT more campaign material for Webb than Allen. Webb has had people handing out stuff at the metro station.<

A while back I was poking around Craigslist (yeah, I know, I was slumming) and I found a Move-on.org solicitation for jobs campaigning in Virginia. Webb's got some powerful backers. The Dems are scared to death of George Allen.

Heh heh.


106 posted on 08/29/2006 3:40:06 PM PDT by Darnright (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Redmen4ever
5. Not invade Iraq at all (since they no longer had WMD).

I hope you don't seriously believe #5.

107 posted on 08/29/2006 3:43:55 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: meandog

And we've already established you know little about which you spout, so I won't bother addressing your silly claim re: #3.


108 posted on 08/29/2006 3:45:26 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Corin Stormhands

'97? Didn't realize it was that long ago. Thanks.


109 posted on 08/29/2006 3:47:46 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop
And we've already established you know little about which you spout, so I won't bother addressing your silly claim re: #3.

Well, to tell you the truth, it was a tossup for me between Allen and Webb...but, because I ran in to you and your nasty retorts today, you can count on me canceling out your vote, at least!

110 posted on 08/29/2006 3:56:30 PM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: Corin Stormhands
don't care who people are supporting in 2008. We need to get Allen back to the Senate.

I've been saying that since the day after election day in 2004..........

111 posted on 08/29/2006 3:59:44 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: meandog
Of course it was, Sweetheart. I believe you. [patting on head] ROTFLMAO!!!

If by nasty retorts you mean correcting your ridiculous garbage, then you may call me "Mr. Nasty!"

112 posted on 08/29/2006 4:00:46 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: meandog; Coop
.....you can count on me canceling out your vote, at least!

Not to worry.........I've yet to an encounter a Democrat friend that plans on voting for Webb.......they all plan on voting for Allen. But even just the votes from my household take care of yours........

113 posted on 08/29/2006 4:06:08 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz; Coop; meandog

I'll see those votes and raise you three more.


114 posted on 08/29/2006 4:23:18 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Gabz; meandog

I'm really, REALLY sorry. [sob] I pushed away a guaranteed constantly-griping-about-the-GOP-and-specifically-Allen-but-really-he-was-seriously-considering-Allen vote. Oh, woe is us!!


115 posted on 08/29/2006 4:32:35 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop; Corin Stormhands; meandog

ROFL!!!!!

There are even Dems in Delaware that are laughing at Webb and the media frenzy over this gaffe.....remember, they all have to contend with biden and his idiocy.


116 posted on 08/29/2006 4:44:51 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz; Corin Stormhands

This non-story has prodded me to request an Allen for Senate bumper sticker. Hadn't bothered prior to the hysteria. :-)


117 posted on 08/29/2006 4:54:55 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: concretebob

Two "Veterans for Allen" bumper stickers coming to me via snail mail! :-)


118 posted on 08/29/2006 4:59:19 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop
Two "Veterans for Allen" bumper stickers coming to me via snail mail! :-)

Webb bio: Secretary of the Navy (under Reagan)
Assistant Secretary of Defense (Reagan)
Navy Cross
Silver Star
2 Bronze Stars
2 Purple Hearts
Author of six best sellers...
U.S. Naval Academy grad (Marine Corps officer)
Georgetown Law

Allen bio: Loud Senate "chickenhawk" whose only uniform was as U.Va. q.b. (record 5-23 as starter)...
Oh, and lucky son of famed Redskin Coach George Allen

Veterans for whom?

119 posted on 08/29/2006 5:27:08 PM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: meandog
Veterans for Allen. Are you telling me that I, having served my country, do not have a right to choose my own candidate?

Didn't think so.

120 posted on 08/29/2006 6:03:57 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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