Skip to comments.
Ethanol could leave the world hungry
Cnn.com ^
| 8-16-06
| Lester Brown
Posted on 08/29/2006 5:55:39 AM PDT by Hydroshock
click here to read article
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20, 21-40, 41-60, 61-80 ... 281-289 next last
To: Hydroshock
The problem is simple: It takes a whole lot of agricultural produce to create a modest amount of automotive fuel. Lester Brown is not either very knowledgeable or expert, but he plays one on tv.
The switchover to bio-mass alternatives, basically highly efficient use of renewable agri-waste and low-impact plants, such as switch-grass etc is looming. Corn is projected to go over $5 a bushel even without the pressure of the ethanol industry, and this will, by the force of the free market, make it much more conducive to the adoption of the new feedstock sources for fermentation. Corn will be phased out...naturally...as a market response. Farmers will be happy, as they will have even more variety of sources of income, and stable income, they can develop. American auto owners will be happy, because their fuel prices will stabilize and their gas tanks won't be able to be shut off at the whim of Adhmanajad and Osama Bin Laden and his kin.
But, pity the poor liberal television gloom-and-doomers. They will be very unhappy.
21
posted on
08/29/2006 6:04:48 AM PDT
by
Paul Ross
(We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
To: jwalburg
My brother in law is a pipefitter who is building an ethanol plant in Litchfield Mi. He says that ethanol plants are all he sees for work in the forseeable future.
22
posted on
08/29/2006 6:04:53 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
To: from occupied ga
This just shows what a truly poor choice ethanol is for a motor fuel. Not to mention that a number of studies show ethanol is a net energy consumer ie you use more fossil fuel energy to produce the ethanol than you get back out of the ethanol you produce. Total crap, which has been refute on this forum countless times! Go educate yourself dude.
23
posted on
08/29/2006 6:05:01 AM PDT
by
suijuris
To: steve-b
Stop it. You keep introducing this nonsense, people keep correcting you, and you try it again in the VAIN hope that nobody will notice that you're spinning the same nonsense.Let me see. You advocate lies and tell me to stop disagreeing with them. If ethanol were a net energy producer (and it's not) you could run the whole process on ethanol with some left over. You can't, so stop lying and go suck a government subsidy.
24
posted on
08/29/2006 6:06:20 AM PDT
by
from occupied ga
(Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
To: steve-b
He is quite correct. Ethanol as a fuel only works because of subsidy: agricultural lobbyists notwithstanding.
To: Hydroshock
In 5 years, we'll be inundated in light crude oil from the Canada syncrude projects. If not 5 years then soon after...
To: Hydroshock
SO......
Ethanol was the answer, until we start using it. So now it's "bad"
Wind power is the answer, until someone wants to build wind mills where the Kennedy's might see them. Now they are bad.
SSDD.
To: from occupied ga
When are you people going to get over this net energy loss arguement? The facts state otherwise. One other note on this. The corn will be grown whether or not there is an ethanol industry. Is there still a net energy loss? If these poor people need food then they can pay me for the corn. Besides most of the corn is used for feeding animals and you still have feed as a by product after you make ethanol. Farmers are not paid to not farm. Set aside acres went out with the last farm bill.
To: suijuris
Total crap, which has been refute on this forum countless timesNo my friend you the one who is full of crap and I have news for you. Your ignorant opinion doesn't refute thermodynamics.
29
posted on
08/29/2006 6:07:54 AM PDT
by
from occupied ga
(Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
To: Hydroshock
All the world's problems are easily solved; cover the planet with solar panels and corn!
See, why was that so hard to figure out?
To: 2banana
Let them eat cake!!!
I know why don't the sorry third world bums start growing their own food stock?
31
posted on
08/29/2006 6:10:03 AM PDT
by
Lewite
(Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
To: Hydroshock
Jeeez. Now if old people fill up thier cars with a gas/ethanol blend, they'll starve even more than they are already!
32
posted on
08/29/2006 6:10:28 AM PDT
by
b4its2late
(There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't.)
To: clodkicker
When are you people going to get over this net energy loss arguement?When it's shown to be false by facts.
33
posted on
08/29/2006 6:10:29 AM PDT
by
from occupied ga
(Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
To: betsyross1776
"The truth is the gov in our country actually pays the farmers not to plant half their fields so they can import from other countries."
"Half their fields" is a gross error and the U.S. is a huge exporter of corn and other grains:
http://www.freshplaza.com/2006/28aug/2_us_export.htm
34
posted on
08/29/2006 6:10:33 AM PDT
by
Graybeard58
(Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
To: P-40
So maybe he ought to start a garden.
35
posted on
08/29/2006 6:11:07 AM PDT
by
xxyyxx
To: from occupied ga
Your ignorant opinion doesn't refute thermodynamics.
People with a lot more access to information than you, or me or anyone else here for that matter, know how to make ethanol work. If they did not have this knowledge, they would not be investing billions of dollars of their own money into a project that will never have a long term positive cash flow.
36
posted on
08/29/2006 6:11:48 AM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: PogySailor
Ethanol was the answer, until we start using it. So now it's "bad"
Basically, yes. That is it in a nutshell. If President Bush were a Democrat it would be a different story.
37
posted on
08/29/2006 6:13:11 AM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: Hydroshock
I'm thinking cattails, broom corn, and reedgrass first.
38
posted on
08/29/2006 6:13:56 AM PDT
by
xcamel
(Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
To: from occupied ga
If ethanol were a net energy producer (and it's not) you could run the whole process on ethanol with some left over.
Who says you can't?
39
posted on
08/29/2006 6:14:39 AM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: agere_contra
He is quite correct. Ethanol as a fuel only works because of subsidy: agricultural lobbyists notwithstanding. We have had ethanol available at the pumps in my area for many years (central Illinois) and it's cheaper because of federal subsidies.
40
posted on
08/29/2006 6:14:44 AM PDT
by
Graybeard58
(Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20, 21-40, 41-60, 61-80 ... 281-289 next last
Disclaimer:
Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual
posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its
management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the
exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson