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Star of the Right Loses His Base at the Border ( Pence Amnesty Alert )
NY Times ^ | 8/29/06 | JASON DePARLE

Posted on 08/28/2006 7:47:08 PM PDT by nj26

He supports tax cuts and the war in Iraq. He opposes stem cell research and the Medicare drug plan. He is a master of his movement’s medium, talk radio. Jesus Christ is his personal savior and Ronald Reagan his political idol.

Conjure what might be called the perfect conservative, and chances are he would look a lot like Representative Mike Pence, the Indiana Republican who in just three terms has turned 100 House allies into a vanguard and himself into one of his party’s rising stars.

Or that was the case until this spring when he sought compromise in the rancorous immigration debate. His complicated plan would strengthen border security and send illegal immigrants home, but let most of them quickly return. Since then, Mr. Pence — named last year’s Man of the Year by the conservative weekly Human Events — has looked to some conservatives like this year’s Benedict Arnold. They say he has lent his conservative prestige to a form of liberal amnesty.

Phyllis Schlafly of the Eagle Forum called his plan “a sick joke.” Richard A. Viguerie, the direct mail pioneer, threatened to punish politicians who support it. Pat Buchanan, editor of The American Conservative, likened the betrayal to a scene from “The Godfather.”

Perpetually genial, prematurely gray, Mr. Pence, 47, said, “I was taken aback by the level of invective.”...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: 109th; amnesty; guestworker; illegalimmigration; immigration; immigrationreform; longknives; mikepence; pence; penceamnesty
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To: pissant

"Hardly a globalist."

CAFTA

Trans Texas Corridor

Lack of any measure of border security in light of being handed the golden opportunity after 911.
Globalist through and through.


41 posted on 08/28/2006 9:41:46 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: staytrue

Hey, I'm all for border security. I want an electirc fence and any trespassers shot.

Nonetheless, just because Bush doesn't follow my lead, don't make him a RINO. He's a man among boys.


42 posted on 08/28/2006 9:50:15 PM PDT by pissant
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To: lonestar67; onyx; Miss Marple; sinkspur; Peach
I am quite pleased with Pence and near fed up with the AMNESTY "open borders" reactionaries. Your candidate has a name-- it is Pat Buchannan. This party has debated the merits of your position. You lost. If you take comfort in bringing Dems to power this fall go ahead-- but if you think you will blackmail me, Pence or any other conservative with your over the top indictments you are sadly mistaken. The compromises toward increased border security are ample concessions toward the anti immigrant positions and no I will not refer to it as anti illegal immigration.

Standing up and cheering!

A most EXCELLENT post!!!

43 posted on 08/28/2006 9:50:42 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: taxed2death

Yeah, that old free trade has no benefits for America, does it. Keep reading Patty and Jerome and you too can be like them someday.


44 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:28 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Prokopton

Bull f'n shiite.


45 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:58 PM PDT by pissant
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To: staytrue

LOL!


46 posted on 08/28/2006 9:52:58 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Peisistratus

I just penned a long reply and it frickin vanished. ARGHHHHH! Maybe I'll try tomorrow.

Suffice to say you are mistaken on just about everything.


47 posted on 08/28/2006 9:55:23 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

"Yeah, that old free trade has no benefits for America, does it. Keep reading Patty and Jerome and you too can be like them someday."

Yea, NAFTA was such a hit.

I'm so glad all those factories were built in mexico to put the mexicans to work down there...stopping them from crossing our borders illegally. Such a win/ win situation. Keep reading the k00laid labels.

Good night.


48 posted on 08/28/2006 10:08:40 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Interesting how we are seeing a lot of these kinds of attacks on conservatives from the leftist media lately. It seems their strategy is to get the right disgusted enough to stay home and not vote. Well, forewarned is forearmed.


49 posted on 08/28/2006 11:03:33 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: Howlin

No, it's a stupid post.

If the pro-amnesty Republicans stay home, a few seats will fall.

If the anti-amnesty (pro-law abiding) Republicans stay home, Hello Speaker Pelosi and Leader Reid.

This election can be a Republican landslide if the RINOs and the elites get off their amnesty/open borders delusion and get in sync with the outside-the-Beltway voter.

I won't be surprised if pretty soon these open-border Republican elites start giving out "Si, Se Puede" bumper stickers.


50 posted on 08/28/2006 11:25:09 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: oldbill; lonestar67; Extremely Extreme Extremist
If the anti-amnesty (pro-law abiding) Republicans stay home, Hello Speaker Pelosi and Leader Reid.

Har. There aren't quite as many of you as you think.

And, frankly, the rest of us are sick and tired of hearing you threaten to stay home.

Stay the hell home; people like you don't need to vote anyway. You've no better than a liberal, always threatening somebody with a vote.

By all means, take credit for handing the power of this country over to the liberals to make your point.

Idiots, the lot of you.

51 posted on 08/28/2006 11:46:17 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: taxed2death

"" I'm so glad all those factories were built in mexico to put the mexicans to work down there...stopping them from crossing our borders illegally. Such a win/ win situation. Keep reading the k00laid labels. ""

Well maybe someday it will work, since several of our major Aircraft Industries are moving to Mexico. GE, Honeywell and others are building or have built multi-million dollar mfg plants in Mexico. I doubt Mexico will allow Americans to cross the border and chase their lost jobs, though. :( :(


52 posted on 08/29/2006 12:49:12 AM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Howlin

Hear, hear. Great post.


53 posted on 08/29/2006 4:35:14 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: nj26
Perpetually genial, prematurely gray, Mr. Pence, 47, said, “I was taken aback by the level of invective.”...

He should not have been at all surprised.

The "my-way-or-the-highway" unappeaseables have been stomping their feet and cutting their own throats for the last 25 years.

54 posted on 08/29/2006 4:37:52 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Howlin

Give 'em hell, kiddo.


55 posted on 08/29/2006 4:41:28 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: lonestar67

Great post. It is good to see more people standing up to the extremists. Pense's plan is a reasonable proposal that is a step in the right direction. We need to make the best out of a bad situation.


56 posted on 08/29/2006 4:43:33 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: nj26; Peisistratus

You are SLANDERING MIke Pence,who is the top conservative in Congress, by calling his plan "open borders" and "no enforcement".Say what you what about the guest worker portion of the plan,but the rest of the plan DOES SEAL the border and it IS enforcement first.


57 posted on 08/29/2006 5:42:38 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Prokopton

Pence is the top Reaganite in Congress.Period.You can't name ANYONE who is more conservative(all around) in the Reagan mold than MIke Pence.


58 posted on 08/29/2006 5:44:27 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: nj26

Excellent, the malcontents are showing their true colors with thier embrace of this NYT hit piece on Pence, showing IMO, they only care about themselves and not modern conservatism.


59 posted on 08/29/2006 5:59:54 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
"...they only care about themselves and not modern conservatism."

Is that what you call it now, modern conservatism?
If open borders and more concern about alien invaders than U.S. citizens is now a form of "conservatism" than the liberals really have taken over.

At least Ronald Reagan realized he had been had on amnesty and regretted his support of it. When are you going to wise up and realize your position on illegal aliens is not only wrong but liberal. Not "modern conservatism" but liberal.

60 posted on 08/29/2006 6:43:09 AM PDT by Prokopton
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