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To: mariabush; Aliska
Not long to live at 60? Former President Ford just had a pace maker and another heart procedure in his mid 90's. Steve could live another 35 years.

Could live another 35 years; could die tomorrow ... only God knows. However, if 'conversion to Islam' entails denying Christ, then any christian who does so, will have a lot of explaining when they stand before Him on judgement day. Would you deny the One who gave up His life so that you might have eternal salvation?

248 posted on 08/27/2006 1:34:34 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: NYer
Would you deny the One who gave up His life so that you might have eternal salvation?

I never said would, can't say for certainty if I would succumb to the pressure or not, would try with all my might and pray for special graces that I would not.

"Lead us not into temptation, and deliver us from evil." That can have many levels of meaning and there is another translation that hints at praying not to be put to that test.

I often wonder when under such a threat, if you can go into an altered state of consciousness; I believe some do. I believe it happens to what I consider some "false martyrs", but not from the same source.

The Islamic view of martyrdom and the Christian view of martyrdom are polar opposites. Some Christians lay down their lives for Christ or their friends. Islamists lay down their lives because of a mass hypnosis sort of thing for want of a better expression. They are all cranked up psychologically when they kill themselves and take others with them. I don't even know if one of the Islam faith is considered a martyr if they are killed simply they are adherents of that faith.

251 posted on 08/27/2006 1:51:12 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: NYer

Not me!


262 posted on 08/27/2006 2:48:17 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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