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To: elfman2
That’s just your own interpretation of “Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heave.” AFAIK, it’s not biblically supported. It's of your creation, not God's.

Matthew is certainly not of my creation: I didn't write it. But consider the context of verse 33. The entirety of chapter 10 is Instructions for Service to the followers of Christ. In verses 1-15 Jesus commissions them and sends them to the Gentiles. He instructs the disciples to move on if the people they talk to don't want to hear their message. He ends, however, with a warning to those who reject the message of the disciples.

Then, in verses 16-23 Jesus warns the disciples that following Him will not be an easy road. Well, here, read it for yourself.

Matthew 10:16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; therefore be shrewd as serpents, and innocent as doves. 17 "But beware of men; for they will deliver you up to the courts, and scourge you in their synagogues; 18 and you shall even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 "But when they deliver you up, do not become anxious about how or what you will speak; for it shall be given you in that hour what you are to speak. 20 "For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. 21 "And brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 "And you will be hated by all on account of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. 23 "But whenever they persecute you in this city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you shall not finish going through the cities of Israel, until the Son of Man comes.

And here is the rest of the chapter. "A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 25 "It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household! 26 "Therefore do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27 "What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetops. 28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 "Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. 30 "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 "So do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows. 32 "Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. 33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven. 34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36 and A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD. 37 "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 "He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

And here is a key point, "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Don't forget that we're talking about a man's eternal destiny, not just some easy, quick way of getting out of a temporal situation.

And Latimer's example is indeed relevant here. He is still a moving example for a steadfast faith in Christ since October 16, 1555--some 451 years. I wonder how long Steve Centanni and the other guy will still be remembered for the stand they took?

112 posted on 08/27/2006 1:23:16 PM PDT by good1
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To: good1
" Matthew is certainly not of my creation: I didn't write it. "

Right, and what you wrote is certainly not of Matthew's creation. No one in that video converted to anything. It’s like what you called a key point, the terrorist’s did not get the journalists soul, they got their bodies to read some obvious fiction. Steve Centanni’s presumably still of the same religion he was last week.

I may be able to put a gun to a supermodels head and convince her to say she loves me, but I can’t get her love,… like Islam certainly did not get Centanni’s soul. If I can tell the difference, God can. (I don't understand why so many here can't. Maybe on some level they fantasize about martyrdom or maybe their thinking is just confused with emotion.)

116 posted on 08/27/2006 1:54:44 PM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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