Katherine Harris says failure to elect Christians will `legislate sin'

KRT Wire ^ | 8/25/2006 | Jim Stratton

[NittanyLion]

I don't interpret KH's answer as a 'litmus test'.

You don't?!?

If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public scrutiny and pressure, if you’re not electing Christians then in essence you are going to legislate sin. They can legislate sin.

Main Entry: litmus test
Function: noun
: a test in which a single factor (as an attitude, event, or fact) is decisive

Sorry, but that's a litmus test. In essence she's stating "if you're electing Jews then in essence you are going to legislate sin". Or insert any other religion in place of Jews. No matter how you state it, her remarks are repugnant.

[JulieRNR21]

This is my understanding of what Harris is saying to the Baptists: If you want someone who represents your moral values regarding abortion and homosexual marriage...I am your candidate. If you don't elect candidates like me who share your Christian values....you will have more laws protecting what you (as Baptists) consider 'sin'.

You can read the entire Harris interview here:

http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/6298.article

[whatisthetruth]

Yeah, she didn't say only moral people should be public representatives. She specified Christians. Are you under the impression that only Christians have morals?

I believe that if one's morality doesn't derive from Biblical principles then I'd be hard-pressed to assume that one would have the morality needed to govern a nation founded on Christian principles and I certainly wouldn't trust anyone who outwardly rejects those principles.

[NittanyLion]

This is my understanding of what Harris is saying to the Baptists: If you want someone who represents your moral values regarding abortion and homosexual marriage...I am your candidate. If you don't elect candidates like me who share your Christian values....you will have more laws protecting what you (as Baptists) consider 'sin'.

Then why didn't she substitute "Christians" with "religious", "Christian ethic", "biblical foundation", etc?

No, I don't think it's necessary to parse her words or determine the meaning of "is". I think she meant exactly what she said:

If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public scrutiny and pressure, if you’re not electing Christians then in essence you are going to legislate sin. They can legislate sin.

[whatisthetruth]

Thanks EV and Julie, now all you Katherine Harris AND Christian bashers pls take note.

O Holy Lord, where have all our God-fearing leaders gone?

[LowOiL]

I have not followed this lady too well (not from Florida)... But I agree with her statement... too bad if others don't...

If your not electing Christians, you are getting what you asked for. Hard not to agree with this IMHO...

[JulieRNR21]

Look...she was speaking to Christians as a fellow Christian.

I will not waste my time 'nit-picking' with you.

And fortunately ....since you vote in VA she won't miss your vote in FL.

I do hope you shared your valuable expertise on the use of the English language with your Senator George Allen........LOL

Have a nice day!

[LowOiL]

She's a candidate for US Senate, perhaps she should've been more concerned.

What, more concerned than serving her Lord and Savior?

And I say that as a Christian.

Just how nice are Christians suppost to be (how sensitive)?

The proof for John the Baptist that Jesus was the Christ was that the blind see, the lame walk and the majority are "offended" by Him (Mat. 11:2-19). As Jesus said, "Blessed is he who is not offended because of Me" (Mat. 11:6; Luke 7:23). In Galilee, Jesus did not plead with his neighbors to understand Him when "they were offended at Him" (Mat. 13:57; Mark 6:3). If unbelievers are offended, so be it (cf. Luke 14:3-4; John 5:8-16). "Shake off the dust from your feet" (Mat. 10:14). But alas, that is no longer a Christian attitude.

Christ’s apostles asked Him, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard [Your] saying?" (Mat. 15:12). What is the accepted Christian response today after an offense is taken? Quick, apologize! Ask for forgiveness! Tell them you are sorry. How did Jesus respond? He said to ignore the complaints of the unbelievers: "Let them alone. They are blind," (Mat. 15:14). Today, many Christians condemn Christ’s attitude as unloving.

Jesus promised his followers, "you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended" (Mat. 24:9-10).

Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9) What is hypocritical love? "Should you… love those who hate the Lord? Therefore the wrath of the Lord is upon you" (2 Chr. 19:2).

Paul also fell short of today’s compassionate Christianity when he wrote that the government should minister terror, wrath and vengeance against the evildoer and that the sword should be used against them (Rom. 13:3-4). The Apostle also erred by today’s standards calling unbelievers fools (Rom. 1:22) and the Galatians fools (Gal. 3:1, 3). Incidentally, Jesus also called men fools (Mat. 23:17, 19; 25:2-8; Luke 11:40; 12:20) when appropriate but never "without a cause" (Mat. 5:22) according to His teaching. As King David wrote, "The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.’" (Ps. 53:1). Thus, atheists are fools and it is cruel to withhold this knowledge from them.

Let me ask you one question NittanyLion? Just one question... What do you think of "He who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Ex. 21:17

Please answer this one question (above in red)... remembering what Jesus said... when talking about "The Law"... in Matthew 5:17-19..." Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Please let me know if we as Christians are to ignore this passage from the OT... are we to assume it no longer applies to us and that Jesus supports ignoring it? Perhaps Jesus was just a mean ole fart? As a fellow "Christian" I am interested in you opinion.

[JulieRNR21]

I have tried to 'help you' several times with the fact that McBride is an 'open borders' supporter and Collins is pro-abortion and a RINO.

But apparently you are NOT voting for Katherine Harris because she was speaking as a Christian to Baptists.

Well, that makes perfect sense IF you are NOT a conservative afterall!

[JulieRNR21]

The above biased article attacks Katherine Harris for expressing her Christian faith in an interview given to the Florida Baptist Witness publication.

This is my understanding of what Harris is saying to the Baptists: If you want someone who represents your moral values regarding abortion and homosexual marriage...I am your candidate. If you don't elect candidates like me who share your Christian values....you will have more laws protecting what you (as Baptists) consider 'sin'.

You can read the entire Harris interview here:

http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/6298.article

[sinkspur]

You chose to act as plaintiff and judge of her statements. Furnishing the 'legal brief' is your burden. Can you validate your condemnation theologically or is your judgment based strictly on your own opinion?

I can say with certainty that there is not a single reference in Scripture to God choosing the leaders of the United States.

Harris is, therefore, completely and totally wrong.

[butternut_squash_bisque]

Can't help you, P. I'm up here in Penna and have to get Santorum re-elected over Casey.

Who does the FL-GOP(?) recommend? Almost sounds to me like Melson is unbeatable, unless he has a Chappaquiddick...

Kate's getting creamed, anyway you look at it.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/12404

[stands2reason]

I have to trust Christians even though their morality isn't what I'd call "complete".

For instance, I believe calling people names and using personal attacks is a sin. Christians don't agree.

I still wouldn't legislate my morality over the morality of the community.

Why isn't political ideology enough for you? You know, how one stands on the issues.

[highball]

No, I don't think it's necessary to parse her words or determine the meaning of "is". I think she meant exactly what she said

Exactly. The Clintonian parsing from Harris defenders is astounding.

[Fiddlstix]

Bump

[NittanyLion]

Exactly. The Clintonian parsing from Harris defenders is astounding.

Sadly, shameless sycophancy isn't confined to people of any political bent...

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

I am not clear on your position. Is everything she stands for wrong, in your view? Do not the principles of governance and headship throughout the Bible not pertain to the United States? Please clarify.

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

"If the people abuse freedom and abandon morality, then it's the whole "sow the wind, reap the whirlwind" thing. The problems with today is not that we don't have righteous laws; the problem is that people don't follow righteousness."

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How badly I wish you were wrong, my Friend!


(footnote: some laws are themselves now evil....)

[beyond the sea]

Wow....... it took 200 posts for the horse picture to show up.

Thanks. I thought there were rules for Katherine Harris (like with A. Coulter).

;-)

[KingofQue]

There were no atheists or agnostics amongst the signers of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. There is no separation of church and state. The Founding Fathers were all Christians. They simply couldn't fathom atheist's or agnostic's as they exist today. Just as they could not foresee the Bible or the Ten Commandments being removed from a Courthouse.
The " other side " are people who are not Christians. I have no animosity towards Jews,they are God's chosen people, and I am a big supporter of Israel but when I vote it is for someone who has values similar to mine. CHRISTIAN!
Is this concept to ridiculous for your pea sized brain?