Posted on 08/25/2006 1:41:56 PM PDT by goarmy
The un is completely dead. People will realize it, when Big John Bolton is done using it.
"Our new government has the luck to benefit from the Schröder policy in terms of Iraq but would decide the same way if they would have to just because everything else would be suicide in a democracy and politicians dont do these things." You say. Reality:
1. Your new government is making no comments about Iraq.
2. Your new government took a 180 degree turn from Schroeder reference Iran. Schroeder played the anti-war game in 2005 during that election too and Merkel is pretty much on board with Iran anyway. Complete opposite of what you say.
3. Your government intentionally is avoiding any comments or statements about certain prisoner over flights, ever wonder why?
Democracy does not mean indecisiveness, freedom does not equate to irresponsibility. Even within the US you have conflict and the opposition will always play a certain degree of political games. However, with respect to Schroeder and the elections in 2002 what you had was a bit different. In this case you had a situation where the government of an allied nation simply did not care about the direct consequences from their internal political games. Schroeder set his personal political ambitions ahead of those of even his nation (Ultra-egoist). I assure you, Germany did not benefit from its games in 2002.
Let me remind you of what the Germans said in 1991, Why didnt they take Saddam out. Fact is, the German public opinion was actually mixed towards any military action on Iraq, although the majority did not favor war. However, once Schroeder politicized this impending war he took advantage of the anti-war position but also crystallized the anti-war Stimmung. He made it much worse, and it never was his issue to begin with. People do look at there political leadership, and when they give the green light to attack, may do. Much of the media in Germany is state controlled and they do toe the line usually on most political issues. Once the political establishment went negative; ARD, ZDF, HR3, SWF, DW, NDR
.. followed suit. What came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, in this case you had a majority favor a certain position, but the Schroeder administration hardened the opposition and brought the whole situation into the German political spot light. He brought it to a boil and 'forced' the issue. The topic Iraq was a side bar issue until 'HE' politisized it. In reality, this was not even a German problem. There were no German troops in Kurdish areas, no German fighters patrolling the Northern and Southern Watch, Germans didn't contribute to Desert Fox
.
Why the German Conservative jumped ship. Not all did, Merkel surprisingly did not jump ship and she took the egg in the face. However, Stiober did. He politically retreated from his earlier position once he realized this would hurt him. The Schroeder anti-war position was marketed. It was a made up election topic where with cheap political gamesmanship gained political capital at an allies expense.
1. The political left felt good because this was sold as anti-war. Kein Blut fuer Oel. The same old BS.
2. The political right was both attacked and appeased at the same time. The political message sent was Merkel is an Arschkriecher and Germany is someone again for going against the US. Der Deutsche Weg, was coined by Schroeder.
You are completely incorrect. From a shear national interest perspective we would have been smart to drop our support to Israel. We wont, they are morally right, they are a democracy they are culturally tied to the West. From a political perspective our missile defense system was a huge internal issue in 2000 (before 9-11, Iran, and the late N. Korean missile tests) but Bush took the egg in the face and did the right thing.
Think about this - Schroeder was calling the US unilateralist, some in Germany were saying we were causing a new arms race and this would destabilize the world. Yet at the same time Schroeder was playing this game Germany bought Patriot PAC3, became a part member in MEADS and bought Standard Missile 3. All designed for missile defense. Is that respectable?
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=13079&sc=400
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/meads
Waffling as Kerry did is not respectable. It is not respectable with Schroeder either. That is not a leader, he is just a low life political opportunist in an expensive suit. Ein Penner der gut reden kann. The Germans actually have an expression we dont have in English that is well suited for such behavior: Volksverarschung. Can you say Kyoto? Und darauf war man noch so stoltz! In the meantime your busting your limits by leaps and bounds, and BTW, you wont pay any penalties either, which technically you should. Im not saying all Germans are bad and that were all good. No, we have our share of Kerrys as well. But you should no defend such behavior. I wouldnt even if hes an American political figure.
The German, even the German Conservative today, feels compelled to defend Schroeder and his actions, but these are indefensible. If the US acted in a way that put German soldiers in greater risk and cost the German taxpayer additional billions, if these actions were for nothing more that the political survival of an incumbent politician who has a track record of failure (Unemployment, GDP growth, dropping expenditures in R&D, breaking Maastricht, dropping expenditures in infrastructure
.) and played a game where Germans were made into some new Suendenbock for political gain, YOU would not take this so lighthearted. Ach, ach ja - (Axelzucken), Ha ha ha- right? The ones right now trying to argue Wir sind wieder Jemand because you crapped on the Americans doorstep would be the biggest Brüllhals if the situation were reversed.
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