Anti-Immigration Movement Newspapers Inflated Minuteman Numbers, Report Finds

SPLC ^ | Summer 2006

[Lurker]

If we conservatives would do a better job of making sure these extremist and hate groups

First off, you're no conservative.

Secondly the MM are not a 'hate group'. Nice try at painting them that way.

Malkin has a link to Vdare on here(sic) site

And Drudge has a link to the NYT. Does that make him a lib?

The Council of Conservative Citizens organizes anti immigration rallies in South Carolina and no one cares.

Apparently you are upset by citizens exercising their First Amendment rights.

So until we on the right have a conservative version of the SPLC

Why on Earth would we want a 'conservative version' of a left wing Marxist lying huckster? Besides we've got you around here to spew half truths, bear false witness, and engage in malicious gossip.

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[PDR]

you have an interestng way of thinking, i'll give you that... especially when it comes to changing the subject. if you (axes) can't attack the allegation you (axes) attack the alligator

[Paige]

I know people involved with the Minutemen and I find your posting this article rather interesting. This is a PR blitz to make the Minutemen look bad in order for the Senate Bill to get approved.

Well let me tell you this bubba, it isn't going to take place. We don't want the Senate Bill and the Minutemen have our support.

I can read you like an open book with big bold print. Your little attempt to play a game with us who believe "Illegals" should be kept out of this country as well as deported back to where they came from won't work. Amnesty is not acceptable and the wall must be built!

[axes_of_weezles]

So you call out your frog marching friends to defend you.

I will attack your source (SPLC/ACLU/SOROS), and your opinions when they are as wrong as they have been on this topic.

You must be steaming in your oatmeal over Simcox gathering a 7 Million dollar donation for their projects.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? There have been posts on this site since the middle of July dogging Simcox and the Minutemen. You have been a contributor to those threads. Result: Senate funding of border fences, the topic of illegal immigration as the topic for the Republican and Democratic primaries. No arrests, no warrants, no congressional investigation, no charges. Just unsubstantiaed BS, recycled at that. Simcox is not Dan Rather. His organization is small and they do what they say. They are open. They have a website with a forum that has documented all the unsubstantiated charges and talked about them. They still exist and are still small, and have not gone away.

What are you going to do when the fence goes up?

I will tell you what you will do. You will criticize them.

[catholicfreeper]

First I didnt call the Minutemen a Hate group. As to the Council of Conservative Citizens, I would be the first to say they have a right of assembly and Free speech. However, I see no reason why We should just ignore that these extremist groups are trying to inflitrate conservative movements. That seems pretty unproductive to me.
Malkin has a little bit more than a link with VDARE she has what appears to be a relationship with some of their prominent people on her immigration blog.

Why should we on the right have a version of the SPLC. Well it would be nice to have a watch dog on our side to alert us when hate groups and extremist groups are trying to inflitrate us. I think that would be useful. Why do we want these people to use us? It just tars the entire legitimate political discourse that the conservative movement is trying to have.

These groups are dangerous and I am sensing getting more dangerous by the year. There rethoric , particually the CofCC has even become more radical.

[catholicfreeper]

I dont think there is a chance the Senate bill in its current form would ever get passed. Also despite the breathless blast emails I keep getting that is not the issue. The jey is to get something to COnference. What comes out of Conference will not be the Senate bill as it is now. Then both Houses will have a up or down vote. I mean this incessant talk about preventing the Senate bill from becoming law is nice tactics and all especially for those that don't know how the process works. But in the end it is really not true.

As I have said a million times , time for a little compromise here. It seems to me the hardliners are playing with a weak hand. IF the House turns Dem next year, I suspect that people will be wishing to have the Pence plan or even the Cannon plan back on the table.

[Paige]

You consider the "Minutemen" an extremist group. I do not. I am far from being an extremist but "IF" you consider someone who wants the "laws to be enforced in our Republic" an extremist then I guess in your mind I am an extremist.

Which can be said is absoblutely pathetic.

[Bob J]

I don't understand all the criticism of your post. To me, it seems to be explaining the transformation of Seper from an MM supporter to critic. It appears the MM press representative (Hair?) had been feeding Seper BS about the numbers showing up at events. When Seper found out he was being lied to, he took a more critical stance. What's the big mystery?

The articles criticism between the numbers of reported sign ups and those at events misses it's mark. As another poster pointed out, not all who sign up will show up on any given day.

For those challenging PDR on this, how about posting some photos showing the numbers of attending volunteers that refute this articles assertions? Otherwise, your knee jerk blasts at PDR for posting this article are vapid.

BTW - Past criticism of the MM had nothing to do with volunteer numbers, but about the lack of accountability and the lack of a promised fence. Those points still stand.

[technochick99]

I read it that catholicfreeper was referring to Council of Conservative Citizens etc as a hate group - possibly VDARE too. Not the Minutemen - you chose to interpret it that way.

I am very infavor of enforcing the laws, and perhaps making even harsher ones, for illegal immigrants and their supporters/enablers.

That said, the scandal surrounding the Minutemen (MMDC?) is shameful. The dodging and doublespeak in responses to valid questioning is ridiculous, and the attack on those conservatives who DARE to question them is beyond the pale. Actually, I would call it absolutely pathetic.

[Invisible Gorilla]

You know people can complain about the Souther Poverty Law center all they want. I filter what they say. However I will say this. If we conservatives would do a better job of making sure these extremist and hate groups didnt try to use us conservatives to legitimate themselves there really wouldnt be a need for them

The SPLC is itself an extremist hate group. Aren't you legitimizing them by simply "filtering" them, and claiming that there is a "need" for them?

[Paige]

What scandal? The one some of you who are pushing for the RINOS to get their way?

Why aren't you ticked off at the Congress for not using your money to build the Fence? And for you to take the side of an offshoot of the ACLU is a true sign you aren't a Conservative.

Please don't play games with me. Don't accuse me of things you don't have a clue about and don't act holier than thou when you are siding with such Left wing groups against other Conservatives. Thanks!

[PDR]

i thought the fence was already up... curious, they way the stories keep changing.

[PDR]

you amaze me.

[Bob J]

All this feigned righteous indignation from MM supporters makes me even more curious about where the money is.

[Bob J]

"Why aren't you ticked off at the Congress for not using your money to build the Fence?"

Are you talking about the money sent to the MM to build the fence or some other fence fund?

[technochick99]

Invest in kool-aid stock.

[technochick99]

The money scandal.... you know - the one countless electrons have been sacrificed for since people prefer to not answer questions without parsing. Kinda' like the definition of 'is'...

Could you please rephrase your second sentence? I will reply once it makes grammatical sense.

I am ticked off at Congress, and the President, for that matter. I believe you are engaging in the classic defense of using a strawman.

I am a conservative, probably much more rabid than you. Why would you say I am not? Wrt/ SPLC, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I'm not playing games, I do have clues, many of them. I've been following all of this for awhile now.

I am not siding with a left-wing group against conservatives by considering their statements. I am questioning the conservatives on the financial debate. In fact, I wasn't even referring to what the SLPC said, I was just defending CatholicFreeper in his/her absense against a foolish and illogical attack.

[SuziQ]

Get a grip! Just cause someone posts an article doesn't mean he or she AGREES with the article. Sometimes we post things we DON'T agree with, so that we let folks know what's out there, so they can get educated as well.

[Paige]

Ahhh the typical liberal reply.

[Paige]

The sentence makes perfect sense but you don't. You whine about the Minutemen but don't whine about Congress.

Whine else where.... I'm busy in the real world. The problem with people like you, you whine and don't do anything productive other than attack others who are trying to make a difference.

Your ability to only be combative instead of factual has been so noted and I am finished with this conversation.