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Vox Populi - Were Britons unreasonable to refuse to fly with Muslims?
City Journal ^ | 24 August 2006 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 08/24/2006 1:14:35 PM PDT by neverdem

British passengers on a flight from Malaga to Manchester did a little impromptu terrorist profiling recently. Some already on the aircraft got off, while those waiting to get on refused to do so, until the flight crew removed from the plane two apparently South Asian young men who seemed to be talking Arabic.

The press has widely condemned the action of the skittish passengers. After all, the two young men had gone through searches like everybody else. Besides, there are many Muslims and very few suicide bombers.

The passengers would no doubt have argued—rightly—that security services have not always been efficient. Officials have uncovered bomb plots at the last possible moment and permitted rabid clerics to proselytize mass murder for years, usually at taxpayer expense. The less cerebral British newspapers have sent reporters to breach security at airports and other transport installations, and they have often succeeded. Furthermore, surveys of British Muslims have repeatedly demonstrated an alarmingly high degree of sympathy with suicide bombers and even a willingness to become “martyrs.” Why should they, the passengers, take a risk, however small, to gratify someone else’s sense of political propriety?

By their action, they drew attention to two concerns. The first is the cowardly failure of the British government to oppose implacably the spread of Islamic extremism within Britain. The second is the unwillingness of Britain’s Muslims to recognize without equivocation that something evil is at work among them—something that has a relationship to their religion.

Astonishingly, the passengers got their way: the two men had to get off the flight. Presumably, they flew on the next flight, but one can easily imagine their feelings. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that the experience would make them less rather than more receptive to the siren song of extremism. They are not likely to use their experience to reflect deeply upon surveys such as the one that found that 30 percent of British Muslims believed British Jews “legitimate targets,” or another that found that 7 percent of British Muslims (100,000 people, if the results were representative) believe that suicide bombing in Britain is justifiable. More likely, the young men will use the experience to stoke the fires of resentment, the embers of which rarely if ever fully are extinguished in any man’s breast, even in the best of circumstances.

After all, no one so lacks compassion that he fails to pity himself, and the two young men removed from the flight have some reason for self-pity. Far lesser things have maddened men. Ill-treated, they will blame the passengers for it, not the men who created the atmosphere in which such ill-treatment becomes probable.

The Islamists will use the episode to dramatize not the consequences of what they themselves preach but rather the West’s insuperable prejudice against Muslims. The Islamists want a polarized world with a fight to the finish, which they assume they will win, having, as they suppose, God on their side.

This was a small twist in the downward spiral toward such a possible apocalypse, for which the pusillanimity of the government and Muslim tolerance of extremism will be as responsible as the extremists themselves.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; britons; dalrymple; fear; muslims; terrorism
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To: goalinestan

Just having to see a Muslim near me is a bit much, and yet I hate no one. And as Bush says, I do not support terrorism or anyone who does. No one in the USA has to belong to the Muslim mafia. It is there choice.


21 posted on 08/24/2006 1:34:08 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: magua
All muslims on one plane and let them get on naked.

But just to show we are sensitive, they should be allowed to keep their penis pumps with them.

22 posted on 08/24/2006 1:36:59 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: neverdem

Terrorism is such a dastardly, cowardly, heinous act, that all those who fit the profile must suffer until they themselves help the authorities root out every single one of these POS. Until then, they will be viewed with suspicion.


23 posted on 08/24/2006 1:39:37 PM PDT by BadAndy ("Loud mouth internet Rambo")
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To: magua
All muslims on one plane...

Do you really want a Muslim sitting in the pilot's seat? 9/11 and Oct. 31, 1999 proved that's not a good idea.

24 posted on 08/24/2006 1:40:08 PM PDT by rickmichaels (Muslims on a plane. Now THAT's scary!!!)
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To: neverdem
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Behold the Peace of Islam: Picture of the Week



A Muslim on an airplane chanting "Allah Akbar"... what's there to worry about?  This very self-absorbed, 27-year-old Muslim man says he can't understand why fellow passengers found his audible prayers unnerving.  Islam is the Religion of Peace, after all.



For further information... try here.

25 posted on 08/24/2006 1:40:15 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Trust can't be bought)
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To: DeweyCA
LOL
When I show my military ID at check-in, the lass behind the counter has asked if I would "like an isle seat up front"

And, of course, I am happy to take the seat - esp if it is an exit seat - more legroom.

26 posted on 08/24/2006 1:41:30 PM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: neverdem

Vox populi, Sybil the Soothsayer, and the mad prophet of the airwaves, Howard Beale!


27 posted on 08/24/2006 1:44:18 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: neverdem
My parent's just profiled with their wallet. They had been in Poland for the summer and were set to return on British Air via Heathrow. They canceled their return flight and purchased new tickets on LOT, the Polish airline. They told me they were not going to be subjected to a plane full of Muslims on the connection from Heathrow. As a note, the Poles do profile. I have seen them give muslims the "special treatment" at the Warsaw airport. This usually entails escorting them around the airport with two armed boarder guards. The normal glaring Muslims take on a rather sheepish look.
28 posted on 08/24/2006 1:47:10 PM PDT by fogofbobegabay
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To: neverdem
My life and the lives of my family are the single most important thing in the universe.

If I am getting on a plane somewhere and I see an obvious muzzie in the boarding line or sitting on board, you can bet I'm unassing that bird and dragging any family members I happen to have with me.

I'm not taking chances where mohammedans are concerned. Only a fool would.

If the koranimals don't like it, they can take it up with the moon rock.
29 posted on 08/24/2006 1:47:57 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: fogofbobegabay

The Poles are smart and courageous; they make the rest of Europe look like weenies.


30 posted on 08/24/2006 1:50:33 PM PDT by madison10
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To: neverdem
The press has widely condemned the action of the skittish passengers.

Then let the press fly with them...

31 posted on 08/24/2006 1:54:46 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

I would do the exact same thing. I would NOT board an airplane that had terrorists or terrorsits sympathizers on it.


32 posted on 08/24/2006 1:58:28 PM PDT by groovejedi ((Bolton for Prez!!!!!))
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To: Issaquahking

Why didn't an air marshal put a .45 ACP thru the back of his head, just as a precaution? It's getting to the point where muslims are becoming less valuable as human beings. It's something CAIR might start considering...


33 posted on 08/24/2006 2:12:06 PM PDT by jonascord ("Let 'em burn!...")
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To: neverdem
"Besides, there are many Muslims and very few suicide bombers."

Besides on 9/11 there were only a few Muslims and nearly 3000 bodies..... /sarc

34 posted on 08/24/2006 2:15:26 PM PDT by patriot_wes (Infant baptism - the foundation of an unbelieving and unsaved church.....with lots of money))
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To: neverdem
The second is the unwillingness of Britain’s Muslims to recognize without equivocation that something evil is at work among them—something that has a relationship to their religion.

This is the crux of the problem. Silence implies consent.

35 posted on 08/24/2006 3:12:31 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: DeweyCA

I agree completely. I was on a flight from Chicago to Houston a couple of weeks ago and there was a pair of men I watched carefully. After the second one went to the bathroom I even considered asking the flight attendant if I could move my seat to be directly behind them (I am 6' 4")
Un-PC it may be, but I will maintain situational awareness on all flights I am on for the rest of my life.


36 posted on 08/24/2006 6:19:09 PM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: neverdem

What a stupid question!
Here's a better one- is your LIFE worth the price of a plane ticket and the 'feewings' of a death-cultist?


37 posted on 08/24/2006 6:59:50 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: rickmichaels

Who said anything about a pilot?
Surely the autopilot system could be fixed to handle takeoff. There's so much ocean, landing won't be necessary.


38 posted on 08/24/2006 7:03:22 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: RochesterFan

Better yet, let the press go f**k itself.


39 posted on 08/24/2006 9:04:48 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Anticommie
Muslims should be only allowed to fly caged in the plane cargo compartment.

How about that contraption that they put Hannibal Lecter in in Silence of the Lambs?

40 posted on 08/24/2006 9:20:08 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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