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Giuliani will NOT win the GOP nomination for President in 2008. Mark my words. Write it down, record it. To do so, he would have to win in all the solid red states that are filled with solid conservatives who he disagrees with on half the big issues. I can't believe I'm even having to argue something so obvious. If a RINO was acceptable, McCain would have gotten the nod in 2000 not Bush. McCain is more conservative than Giuliani and even HE couldn't beat a solid conservative who stands by the GOP plank. THis is so obvious. If a GOP seeker of the Presidential nomination doesn't agree with and support the WHOLE GOP plank, then they have no right to be President. The plank is what it is because MOST Republicans made it such.

If you really think that a vote of ONLY Republican voters would show that most Republicans support moderate non-constructionist Judges, support Gay marraige, support partial birth abortion, support abortion, and support the death penalty, then you don't know the majority of Republican voters. The result of that poll would be 70% to 80% or more in opposition of how Giuliani stands on this issues, and when against REAL candidates that support the conservative agenda on those issues, GOP voters will choose the candidate that reflects the issues which they turned into the GOP plank. If the truth is otherwise, then why did McCain, a RINO non-conservative secularist not beat Bush in 2000? Your argument defies logic, and the past 12 years of facts in how the GOP has been and currently is. Traditional social issues are the soul of the GOP, and what seperate it from the DNC, even moreso than fiscal conservative values. Are you challenging that?