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Casual Friday is so '90s, dressing down is full time
Contra Costa Times ^
| 8/23/06
| Molly Selvin
Posted on 08/23/2006 8:48:35 AM PDT by qam1
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To: martin_fierro
These clothes say "I will be a grumpy clerk forever. Treat me like ear wax."
These clothes say "I am bound for management. Pretend you like me because I could be your boss someday."
These clothes say "I'm the only one who understands the computer system. Worship me."
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posted on
08/23/2006 9:56:51 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
To: qam1
"Polo shirts, sweater sets and tailored slacks -- what many companies consider "business casual" -- have given way to halter tops, rubber flip-flops, T-shirts and jeans."
The grunge look is everywhere for all to see. It appears that many people are trying to look slovenly, unkept and trashy.
The changes started with the 60s and more casual (but not necessarily grunge with the Dot.com revolution).
What adds to this crappy look is that more and more people are overweight and the clothing they wear makes them look even worse.
To: Arcy
Thank you.
And I too think, as everything else, that "casual" has been DUMBED DOWN to mean "!#$!$#-hole street-punk homeless". It used to mean NOT suits, but still NICE and sharp.
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posted on
08/23/2006 9:57:37 AM PDT
by
the OlLine Rebel
(Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
To: the OlLine Rebel
My daughter just took a job with a company run by an old dude, kind of a Sam Walton type, and they have a strict formal dress code. Men and women have to wear suits. Woman are allowed pantsuits, but have to wear hose and nice shoes.
(she had to buy everything new) It'll take a month of paychecks to get back in the black)
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posted on
08/23/2006 9:58:21 AM PDT
by
altura
(Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
To: Terabitten
The biggest problem with womens' dress was prior to the biz casual move. At that time, they were dressing casual while men were still having to wear a tie.
I write the dress code now and I can assure you there is no sneaking around it, gender wise. Of course, it isn't very hard to follow (fairly casual), but it is strict. Flip flops are an obvious no-no.
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posted on
08/23/2006 9:58:58 AM PDT
by
1L
To: qam1
I dress for my day. The difference is that my work day never includes painting the barn or digging ditches. There is a difference between dressing casually at times and dressing to impress others with your sexual availability or hog slopping skills.
People who can't find "comfortable" clothing that also spares the office constant visuals of a failed weight loss battle just don't know how to dress like a grownup instead of a little kid.
It isn't hard to do at all.
To: kenth
My husband started wearing a nice fedora to work, and has gotten a lot of compliments and queries as to where he bought it.
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posted on
08/23/2006 9:59:23 AM PDT
by
Malacoda
(The Posting Police need an enema.)
To: ShadowAce
In your work environment I wouldn't have a problem with the way you dress. However, I would have a problem with people not wearing shoes. That could result in an injury.
The real dividing line for me is whether or not you are coming in contact with the public or potential customers. If you are, then a more "professional" attire should be worn unless you are working in an environment where it's very dirty and clothing is likely to get soiled.
People treat you differently and perceive you differently when you are dressed up. Even if it's just a nice shirt and slacks. If you don't think this is the case, consider how you yourself perceive people who are well dressed. We've been conditioned to think that people who are well dressed are "important" or "powerful" or "smart". Whether it's true or not, it's how people think. And believe me, it affects how they think of you.
It's all about psychology. It's stupid psychology but it's reality. In business, you want to be perceived as "professional" even if you're not.
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posted on
08/23/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT
by
Arcy
To: ShadowAce
"Where I work (electronics company and software development), a golf shirt is dressing up. "
I once went to a meeting with the vice-president of a large bank (not the branch, the whole multi-trillion dollar bank) trying to get a contract for a new product.
I was the tech guy, the rest of the team was marketing and other assorted overdressed types. Before we got there, they trashed me for wearing sandals. When the VP came in, he looked at my feet, shook my hand and said "you must be the tech guy". I looked down and he was also wearing sandals. We got the project.
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:00:52 AM PDT
by
ndt
To: dfwgator
that's funny. Especially the last one,
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:00:54 AM PDT
by
Arcy
To: dfwgator
ROR <-- This post says, "I am a lame jokester. Indulge me."
To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Remember the kids from the poor house who slipped on old tennis shoes and let their heels mash down the back of the shoe?
Yeah, those are stylish and actually marketed as "fasionable" shoes. Funny people pay for clothes that look like rags.
To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
"The philosphy of my boss is: your clothes reflect your attitude and focus"
You're correct. And it reflects your respect for others around you (nevermind yourself). Despite all the denials, it really does. That is the point of dressing for public. Show it some respect.
As it is, it won't be long before people at funerals (and I've seen it already at weddings) will be looking like !$#@!$#@. FGS people, it's a sign of RESPECT. You show up looking like a gangsta when you meet me for a date the 1st time - you're history. You didn't care enough about me to dress up - well, that's just it.
Incidentally, the "comfort" excuse is way overrated. The only thing about looking really nice that's uncomfortable for me is "high-heeled" shoes (which are often optional).
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:04:21 AM PDT
by
the OlLine Rebel
(Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
To: Arcy
It's all about psychology. It's stupid psychology but it's reality. In business, you want to be perceived as "professional" even if you're not. Agreed. We happen to not interface with customers very much. When we do, it's over the phone and not face to face, as our customers are scattered around the world. Also, another advantage we have is that our product is the best in the world. Others try to implement some of our features, but no one comes close to what we are able to do. As a result, customers come to us, and we don't have to impress them with psychology quite as much.
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:04:52 AM PDT
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: the OlLine Rebel; qam1
Sorry. I saw the keywords and the title, and I thought he was one of the hate filled-boomers that usually overrun these threads.
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:06:34 AM PDT
by
mysterio
To: mysterio
Meanwhile, we'll be in our jeans, paying for your SS benefits for the next 35 years, so lay off. I'm sitting here in my office in my standard everyday IT work garb, jeans and a silk Hawaii shirt, thinking to myself ... my SS kicks in in 5 years ..
Thanks for being there for me.
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:07:26 AM PDT
by
tx_eggman
(Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
To: qam1
Friday is Hawaiian Shirt Day...
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:07:51 AM PDT
by
rock_lobsta
(cair = hamas = iran = EVIL)
To: qam1
I'm surprised this hasn't shown up here yet...
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:08:41 AM PDT
by
Lucky9teen
(Ask not what the government can do for you. Ask why it doesn't.)
To: qam1
I've worked in environments where suit and heels were the norm and now at 43 I work in an environment where I can wear shorts in the summer and jeans and sweaters in the winter.
I work in IT and occasionally have to go into situations to find network connections that can be rather messy. And in the fours years I've worked for this company they've never figured out climate control.
I work more efficiently in comfortable clothing, and while not every day has me on the front lines of tackling malfunctioning equipment I don't have to worry about ruining something nice when I do.
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:09:11 AM PDT
by
cjshapi
(Proudly posting without a tagline since 2001)
To: Arcy
"It's stupid psychology but it's reality. In business, you want to be perceived as "professional" even if you're not."
It depends on your job description. I don't trust a programmer who wears a tie and I'm the guy who hires them. OK not really, but for a technical position, the only thing I'm interested in is what you have done. Appearance, and even formal education takes a distant back seat to real world experience.
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posted on
08/23/2006 10:09:52 AM PDT
by
ndt
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