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To: T'wit
Historically, there is simply no question that Darwinism was a powerful influence on Nazi thinking.

Um, actually, no. Even with respect to their racialist theories, where you would most expect it, the Nazis evinced minimal interest in evolution. (To tell the truth I've found this somewhat surprising as I've looked into it.)

Again, I was surprised by this myself. For instance the Nazi's most important philosopher of race was Alfred Rosenberg, whose Myth of the Twentieth Century was second only to Hitler's Mein Kampf in the Nazi canon.

You can probably find the full text of the book at StormFront or some other neo-Nazi site. Read it yourself. Rosenberg says almost nothing about evolution. IN FACT HIS RACISM HAS AN EXPLICIT CREATIONIST BASIS. Granted it was an "idealistic" sort of creationism that would be strange to most modern fundamentalists. For instance Rosenberg thinks in terms of "racial souls," instead of individual souls. But nevertheless Rosenberg holds that the races were separately created, each with it's distinct soul.

The "racial soul" is "in the blood". The whole point of Nazi eugenics was not to achieve some sort of evolutionary goal, BUT TO RESTORE THE ORIGINALLY CREATED ORDER by "purifying the blood" and thereby purifying the racial soul.

Or take the Nazi's principle scientific expert on race, Hans F.K. Günther. You can find a number of his writings here. I haven't gone through all of them, but I've done text searches on all the chapters with likely titles. I can hardly even find the word "evolution," or any form thereof. (So far only once referring, in a passing comment, to the relatively recent evolution of European languages.) And the name "Darwin" I can't find at all. Maybe it's there, somewhere. Feel free to look.

The same disinterest in evolution seems to apply to the discipline of Nordic Theory (the "scientific" elaboration of Nazi racism) in general.

Sure you can find references to biological evolution and to Darwin here and there among Nazi screeds and speeches; but a deep or genuine interest in the subject, or any real attempt to learn from or apply it generally, seems to be almost entirely absent.

143 posted on 08/22/2006 6:11:56 PM PDT by Stultis
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BTW, in reference to my #43...

Seriously, and leaving aside the "work" of smear artists like Kennedy, and other worthless, arm-waving linking of Darwin and Hitler...

Does anyone know of any substantive and systematic attempt, by any Nazi, to rationalize "Nordic Theory," Nazi antisemitism, etc, in terms of evolutionary theory? Again I'm not talking about rhetorical glosses by Nazis referring to evolution in general, and generally in ignorant or superficial ways. I mean a real attempt to justify any key element of Nazism in terms of evolutionary theory.

As I've said several times now I find it odd that something of the sort doesn't exist. But, so far as I can find to date, it doesn't appear to.

I guess I'll have to read Richard Weikart's book just to check, although the mere fact of his agreeing to be a featured expert on James Kennedy's "documentary" tends to make me think that his scholarship might have little to offer. Still I'll check, and if anyone knows themselves please post or freepmail. I've long been interested in "scientific racism" and would like to know if I'm missing something here.

183 posted on 08/22/2006 7:22:41 PM PDT by Stultis
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...But nevertheless Rosenberg holds that the races were separately created, each with it's distinct soul. ...

I've never seen a statement by Hitler or any other Nazi that the Jews and Aryans had a common ancestor. Until someone shows me something like that, it's hard to take claims of nazis knowing evolution seriously.

231 posted on 08/23/2006 3:33:50 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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