Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer

LifeSite News ^ | August 21, 2006 | Hilary White

[tacticalogic]

Than I'm willing to buy that "Catholicism has always understood that strictly scientific questions are a matter of liberty, not dogma. ", but Catholics, even among the Vatican clergy don't necessarily always follow that doctrine.

[Mrs. Don-o]

You got it!

[RightWhale]

Has the Vatican approved the Big Bang cosmology model of the beginning of the universe? A guest on Coast claimed that last night.

[wideawake]

Wonder if there's more in that context? Anything in related paragraphs fore and aft which sounds interesting?

The part that I translated is only a small aside in a much larger and complicated discussion regarding when exactly the angels could have been created and whether the fact that the lights in the firmament were not created until the fourth day means that the days preceding the creation of the sun have a different nature than the other days, as well as a discussion of whether or not the seventh day could have been created if God had ceased creating on the sixth day.

There is zero mention of any topic that could possibly relate to biological evolution - it is really a discussion of the nature of time versus eternity and how eternal beings relate to time.

St. Augustine's name is often brought up in defense of evolutionism as being somehow "Catholic" - if this is the supporting documentation for these frequent claims, I have to say I am underwhelmed.

[wideawake]

No official teaching document the Catholic Church has ever issued has endorsed the Big Bang theory.

The guest was not telling the truth.

[RightWhale]

Thanks. I thought that would be the case.

[NYer]

Has the Vatican approved the Big Bang cosmology model of the beginning of the universe? A guest on Coast claimed that last night.

No! Who was the guest?

[RightWhale]

Last nights guests were Tom van Flandern and R C Hoagland. I don't recall which guest said that, but van Flandern is the PhD astronomer of the two.

[Theo]

There is still time to turn to the Lord, my friend. You won't find the most important answers to your most heart-felt questions in science. It's not too late to get right with God.

[mbraynard]

If you would like to be educated, I recommend Triumph written by Henry Crocker. It documents a lot of the issues and gives clearity. Of course from your perspective without much info, it looks like hair splitting.

[mbraynard]

Well, you say you 'interpret' the Bible, so you're disagreeing with Church interpretation - you are free to do that, but you aren't Catholic. And if you are interpreting it with the Church's guidance, then you can't conclude there were six literal days.

I'm not play stupid with you and explain proof that the earth wasn't created in six days in a method that is illogical on it's face.

[madison10]

There is a God and He isn't a Darwinist. It was a good idea for the Vatican to do this.

[RunningWolf]

I am new to reading the Bible after only a cursory exposure to it as a child.

As I read it, at least the first few days in creation are not 24hrs or (one revolution of earth) The first day ends with light ‘and the evening and the morning were the first day’ My interpretation BTW does not exclude any time frames, for he is beyond the eternity of infinite universe’s, all with their own infinity - eternity and simultaneously a beginning - end.


001:001 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
001:002 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
001:003 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
001:004 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
001:005 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


IOW these absolutes can never be truly comprehended by mortal human minds.

Note to evos looking for cheap shot.., no this does not mean that I reject mans scientific exploration into the unknowns.

W.

[HiTech RedNeck]

A minute waiting for a red light to change is like an hour.

[tacticalogic]

If you would like to be educated, I recommend Triumph written by Henry Crocker. It documents a lot of the issues and gives clearity. Of course from your perspective without much info, it looks like hair splitting.

It appears that you're not in any position to criticize the Church if you aren't Catholic, and are required not to if you are.

[mbraynard]

Just trying to give you some source info. I don't take what you said initially as criticism, per se, because it isn't based in fact. There are a lot of things to criticize within the organization whether you are member or not.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Why is the headline misleading to the point of being a deliberate falsehood?

Just being consistent with the source of the article.

[Doctor Stochastic]

the plain reading of the text reflects 24 hour days as we know them today.

Sidereal or solar days?

[ChessExpert]

Well, Copernicus was vindicated...

I’m not sure he needed vindication.

Anyway, here is a popular quote from Copernicus:

The Universe has been wrought for us by a supremely good and orderly Creator.

And from De Revolutionibus (On the Revolutions):

To know the mighty works of God; to comprehend His wisdom and majesty and power; to appreciate, in degree, the wonderful working of His laws, surely all this must be a pleasing and acceptable mode of worship to the Most High to whom ignorance can not be more grateful than knowledge.
...
Although all the good arts serve to draw man's mind away from vices and lead it toward better things, this function can be more fully performed by this art, which also provides extraordinary intellectual pleasure. For when a man is occupied with things which he sees established in the finest order and directed by divine mana gement, will not the unremitting contemplation of them and a certain familiarity with them stimulate him to the best and to admiration for the Maker of everything, in whom are all happiness and every good? For would not the godly Psalmist [92:4] in vain declare that he was made glad through the work of the Lord and rejoiced in the works of His hands, were we not drawn to the contemplation of the highest good by this means, as though by a chariot?

Yet none of these phenomena appears in the fixed stars. This proves their immense height, ... So vast, without any question, is the divine handiwork of the most excellent Almighty.