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Michael Moore Documentary Rattles Health-Care Giants
Advertising Age ^ | 8/21/06 | Rich Thomaselli

Posted on 08/22/2006 7:38:30 AM PDT by Huntress

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To: gov_bean_ counter
Re: the film should be considered an in kind contribution to that party

I agree.

I'm sick of limo-libs spending other peoples millions and calling it a 'grass roots'.

Why pay for campaign commercials when you can string all the sound bites of the whole campaign into a 2 hour diatribe the voter pays for out of their own pocket?

What's the cost of Avid time these days? Pennies.

It bolsters the point that all art is propaganda.

81 posted on 08/22/2006 8:30:48 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: Huntress
It'll be too bad if he does this in typical fashion. He may make some legitimate points, but they'll be squashed by his manipulation of facts and situations.

I'd love to see him do an honest doc on the abortion industry. Who would be his friends then? THAT would be guts.

82 posted on 08/22/2006 8:31:18 AM PDT by Scarchin (+)
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To: Beckwith

We can only hope this bastard kicks in soon but knowing how things are never fair he will probably live forever like Ted Kennedy.


83 posted on 08/22/2006 8:33:50 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: brwnsuga

There is - buy an HSA plan or join a trade association and you can use their group to get a health plan.

I'm a SB owner and I have an HSA plan - approx $200 a month towards insurance and $220 a month towards my HSA account. After a $2600 deductible, all else is 100%. I get to sock away tax-free that $220 a month, and treat it like an IRA if I don't use it. What's not to like about that ? I'm saving, and I have my catastrophes covered.

It's all around you if you dig a bit.


84 posted on 08/22/2006 8:34:14 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: rhombus
Re: After F 9/11 people are well aware that he has no credibility.

Under the adage that there's no such thing as bad press, F 9/11 forced people to pay their own money to sit in a dark theater to hear the words "George Bush" over and over.

85 posted on 08/22/2006 8:36:00 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: weegee
"If he were saving for a rainy day, he'd have money for those service "on a rainy day"."

Even if he was forced to save it (via MSA's). If he was real smart, he'd also plunk down $50 a month for catastrophic care (cancer, major accident, etc.) and use the rest for incidentals.

Only one problem with MSA's. Getting people to spend their money on preventative care (which is only a fraction of what is spent if the problem gets worse). Maybe the catastrophic insurance provider could incentivize that -- after all, it's in their best interest.

86 posted on 08/22/2006 8:36:49 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Huntress

Health advice from Moore? No thanks.


87 posted on 08/22/2006 8:37:15 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: dogbyte12

I agree I would not like that in a society either. We discussed this very issue with my elderly parents and when it came time there were no heroic measures for either one of them. It was hard, but the right thing to do. The both were ready for heaven.


88 posted on 08/22/2006 8:38:50 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Huntress


Just to remind one and all what a disgusting human being Michael Moore is.

89 posted on 08/22/2006 8:43:15 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: ll_t
IMO, it's driven up mostly by people who get it for free. Plus you left out lawsuits -- even from those who receive free care! And expensive equipment (MRI's, etc.).

Plus, some care is just flat-out expensive. I forget the exact number, but it's like 80% of healthcare money is spent on the care of a patient in the last six months of their life.

90 posted on 08/22/2006 8:46:33 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: ll_t
"Am I the only one who has been burned by technicalities? I doubt it."

No, You're not.
I had a friend that was self employed/insured. He started getting bad headaches and was diagnosed with a brain tumor.His wife forgot to send in the insurance money on time, so they refused to cover him for anything. The hospital told him that before they could operate he had to guarantee a $50,000 payment.

He and his wife had to put up his house and his business as collateral.
The operation went fine and he was recovering when the hospital informed him that he also had colon cancer.

He died 3 days later. His wife lost everything they owned.

She was evicted from their home 6 months later.

I would have thought the hospital could have told him he was terminal before he went through that.
91 posted on 08/22/2006 8:47:03 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: All

when they say 45 million dont have health care they fail to menton they are lumping illegals in with it. not to mention the 20 something year old males that have better things to spend 400 dollars a month.
That being said I wonder if Michael Moores solution is nationalized health care. somehow nationalizing it would stop the corruption and make it cheaper. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA


92 posted on 08/22/2006 8:52:55 AM PDT by Kewlhand`tek (Those that can't , Teach. Those that can't teach , Report)
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To: Kewlhand`tek

You've seen public housing? Now, imagine public health care. ugh.


93 posted on 08/22/2006 8:55:12 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Huntress

Who wants to bet that hypocritical communist POS Moore not only owns Haliburton in his stock portfolio, but also owns United Healthcare.



94 posted on 08/22/2006 8:55:18 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Huntress
Michael Moore trashes America's health care system without proposing any solutions. Its a fakeumentary. If people weren't paying so much attention to that portly colossal jewel of ignorance, he'd be another moonbat. That is without the camera that allows him to peddle his pile of heaping compost to the ignorant.

( No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

95 posted on 08/22/2006 8:57:33 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: robertpaulsen

That bit about "pursuit of happiness" is not in the Constitution.


96 posted on 08/22/2006 9:02:00 AM PDT by MarxSux
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To: Beagle8U

When my second daughter was born, a perfetly normal pregnancy, healthy birth, it cost us $4500. And that was with insurance.

The doctors doubled billed countless things, included visits from her peaditrician days before she was born and visits from specialists that I never saw. I called them on each and every fraudlent charge. Their response was "oh that's right, your insurance doesn't cover that." Not, "oh that's right, you never saw these people." As soon as I informed them that I had called both my insurance fraud alert line and the state fraud alter line, all those charges disappeared.

On the other hand, my insurance would not cover routine prenatal care without denying it first to see if I would object. I had to get the Rhogam shot, completely routine and yet they refused to cover it. But they covered the second one no questions. In the end, they paid everything that they originally denied, but I had to fight them for every penny. And they raise my premiums by almost $100 in the course of a year.

The insurance companies are greedy to a point that I consider it immoral. They make their money by causing harm to others. Doctors are just as bad in my mind. The only solution I want to see from the govenment however is tort reform and anti-trust laws apply to insurance companies.


97 posted on 08/22/2006 9:06:06 AM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Huntress


Michael Moore trades HMO stock.


98 posted on 08/22/2006 9:10:03 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: brwnsuga
Unfortunately our health system can stand some tweaking. There are too many working folks that can't afford good health care.

Only in states that have community rating. In states that allow underwriting insurance is affordable for the 95% of the population that isn't chronically ill. The question is how much do you value it. If Health-care is as important as all these whiners claim they should be willing to pay a large portion of their income on it.
99 posted on 08/22/2006 9:10:25 AM PDT by Conservative Actuary
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To: kinghorse
Actually Hillary's bleatings put the insurance companies on the defensive for a couple of years. Before she was shot down, rates were mysteriously going down for a couple of years. I remember well because I do our renewals.

Actually it's called the underwriting cycle.
100 posted on 08/22/2006 9:13:07 AM PDT by Conservative Actuary
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