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To: Cvengr
"Your argument isn't with me, it's with Him and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Return to Him so those gifts might be understood per His plan. A woman working as a pastor-teacher is attempting to perform good works at her own hand. Such works are good for nothingness. Only the good through faith in Christ as provided by Him is righteous." "
I don't bow before people just because they're men nor do I believe that God expects me too. Jesus spent his whole ministry uplifting women, the poor, and other outcasts.

"No pastor-teacher operates out of selfish control. Only by sacrificing the old man and remaining obedient to Him is the gift of pastor-teacher exercised. "
Apparently, the Catholic Church DOES have a more liberal policy than some Protestant Churches. While women aren't permitted to be priest, they are allowed to comment on the Scripture and church policy. In fact, St. Catherine went so far as to criticize the Pope's actions, and the Church made her a saint and a Doctor rather than ostracizing her.

"Administrative leadership is a gift some women might receive, but that is a discernible gift from that of pastor-teacher. "
So basically all women can do in a church according to you is type up the pastor's sermon and serve the menfolk coffee.
533 posted on 08/22/2006 4:52:40 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl
"Administrative leadership is a gift some women might receive, but that is a discernible gift from that of pastor-teacher. "

Which Mosque is this?

534 posted on 08/22/2006 5:04:24 PM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: Accygirl

Some people have the gift of helps. Some men act as handymen about the facilities. That work is no less a work before the Lord when performed through faith in Him. On the other hand, if a person performs the work to be recognized as being 'holy' amongst his peers and seniors, then he has already received his reward here on earth in a worldly fashion.

Every believer has a gift from the Holy Spirit. not all believers experience that gift nor may even be cognizant of their gift. One important aspect in walking in fellowship with God is so we might be at the right time and place to perform the work He has predestined in logistics, time and place for us to accomplish through faith in Him so that we might be eligible to recieve the reward He has prepared for us from eternity past to recieve from the Lord in Heaven upon the bema seat review.

There is nothing at all derogatory in a believer working through faith in Christ with the spiritual gift God has given them.

This doesn't mean one is bigoted about women, where the spiritual gift given is not the gift of Pastor-Teacher, any more than most pastor-teachers should have absolutely nothing to do with their church's finances. There are spiritual gifts given to different people in the Church. One significant role of the Pastor-Teacher is to recognize and discern those gifts and direct/utilize/ employ them accordingly through faith in Christ.


587 posted on 08/22/2006 9:30:37 PM PDT by Cvengr
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