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1 posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:50 PM PDT by Bob J
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No by-golly!! Just leave her in the kitchen to cook me another chicken-pot-pie!!

Women need enough chain to get from the laundry room to the kitchen, to the bedroom!!

431 posted on 08/22/2006 7:53:08 AM PDT by sit-rep (http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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What a dumb question.

Of course.


433 posted on 08/22/2006 8:00:07 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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I haven't read every post on this long discussion, so apologies if I repeat points already made.

The reporting on this story is awful. Mrs. Lambert and a small group of long time church members have a serious disagreement with the new direction of the church and have gone outside of their church's rules and policies for such disagreement by hiring a lawyer and writing public letters. Please visit the Waterford Daily Times news website or the First Baptist Church website for a little more background on this story. To me, the issue in this case is not Timothy, but a conflict between church leadership and a small group of church members.

The way the media is playing this strikes me as yet another example of how journalism doesn't "get it" about religion. The issue is not Christian doctrine on male-female relationships, but rather of intrachurch conflict. Media reports that play the sex angle are written by reporters that are either lazy, stupid, or biased.

The doctrine issues in Timothy are important and warrant discussion, but not from this story.


459 posted on 08/22/2006 10:41:34 AM PDT by drsbb
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A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent.

You say that to my wife.

Just let me get some Doritos and a beer before the fun starts.

460 posted on 08/22/2006 10:48:07 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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No.


461 posted on 08/22/2006 10:51:02 AM PDT by reelfoot
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It's not up to me to decide, it's up to me to do as God says. We need to spend our time finding out what God wants, not what we want. That being said....

My understanding is that Paul was telling Timothy how to conduct himself in the Church (1 Timothy 3:15). This teaching that Paul gave him concerning women is in the context of the first 3 chapters of 1 Timothy. Those 3 chapters deal with qualifications for men (and their wives) to hold offices or positions in the church.

In Chapter 4, he deals with how Timothy, a young preacher, is to conduct himself.

The teaching in the 2nd chapter of 1 Timothy deals with women teaching men in the context of the Church affairs.

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

If this meant that a woman was to NEVER teach a man, then how could an believing wife teach her unbelieving husband or boyfriend?

I believe that a careful study of the scriptures will indicate that this is referring only to matters when the church is gathered together.


472 posted on 08/22/2006 11:22:23 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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It doesn't matter so long as they know their stuff.


488 posted on 08/22/2006 12:52:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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John 20
1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.


Translation:

Jesus is directly telling a Woman to go tell the others about his resurrection. Therefore, the first evangelist was a woman.


503 posted on 08/22/2006 2:00:35 PM PDT by seawolf101
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Jesus told Mary Magdeline to go an tell everybody. If anybody should spread the word...


504 posted on 08/22/2006 2:11:38 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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Should a woman be allowed to teach Scripture to men?

Yeah, sure.

515 posted on 08/22/2006 3:31:47 PM PDT by wireman
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Scripture says no. I agree on that basis.


517 posted on 08/22/2006 3:35:54 PM PDT by Busywhiskers (Delenda est Hezbollah)
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Well, it could cause some confusion when she gets to this, so I'll say no.
524 posted on 08/22/2006 4:11:41 PM PDT by Tribune7
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All I can say is that every (Baptist) church I've ever attended had mostly women teaching Sunday school and Vacation Bible school. A man always teaches the Men's Sunday school class and often had the youth group in VBS.
It is difficult enough getting men to even attend church!


530 posted on 08/22/2006 4:22:53 PM PDT by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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In case it hasn't been said...The Bible is The Book, no matter who reads it to you.


546 posted on 08/22/2006 7:05:57 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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Some of our best teachers of Scriptures are females. They are also a lot more organized and interesting than the men, most of whom are unprepared and dull.


548 posted on 08/22/2006 7:18:15 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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This is a trick question, right? Last time I looked, the calendar said 2006.


578 posted on 08/22/2006 9:07:56 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO WANT TO TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY !)
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When I was a child, my mother, and not my dad, taught me scripture. What's the problem?


579 posted on 08/22/2006 9:09:16 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Could mecca be Satan's' throne?)
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It depends on the woman and also depends on the men.


(If the purpose of this article was to make women feel inferior... it didn't work with this one.
A man who even thinks about such things must have problems that even the most intelligent woman could ever help him resolve).


651 posted on 08/23/2006 9:12:40 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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Sure


661 posted on 08/24/2006 5:24:01 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup ("Is it real? Or is it Reuters?")
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This is hilarious to me.

I just had a man insist that he and his wife get into my Bible Study class this fall and winter. Go figure???

I think it depends on the woman and the people who are in the scripture study and the focus of the class. We will be studying the Gospel of Mark.


662 posted on 08/24/2006 5:33:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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