Posted on 08/19/2006 4:54:48 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
British holidaymakers staged an unprecedented mutiny - refusing to allow their flight to take off until two men they feared were terrorists were forcibly removed.
The extraordinary scenes happened after some of the 150 passengers on a Malaga-Manchester flight overheard two men of Asian appearance apparently talking Arabic.
Passengers told cabin crew they feared for their safety and demanded police action. Some stormed off the Monarch Airlines Airbus A320 minutes before it was due to leave the Costa del Sol at 3am. Others waiting for Flight ZB 613 in the departure lounge refused to board it.
The incident fuels the row over airport security following the arrest of more than 20 people allegedly planning the suicide-bombing of transatlantic jets from the UK to America. It comes amid growing demands for passenger-profiling and selective security checks.
It also raised fears that more travellers will take the law into their own hands - effectively conducting their own 'passenger profiles'.
The passenger revolt came as Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary was accused of using the terror crisis to make money. Government sources say he boasted to an official at the Transport Department: "Every time I appear on TV, I get a spike in sales."
The Tories said the Government's failure to reassure travellers had led the Malaga passengers to 'behave irrationally' and 'hand a victory to terrorists'.
Websites used by pilots and cabin crew were yesterday reporting further incidents. In one, two British women with young children on another flight from Spain complained about flying with a bearded Muslim even though he had been security-checked twice before boarding.
The trouble in Malaga flared last Wednesday as two British citizens in their 20s waited in the departure lounge to board the pre-dawn flight and were heard talking what passengers took to be Arabic. Worries spread after a female passenger said she had heard something that alarmed her.
Passengers noticed that, despite the heat, the pair were wearing leather jackets and thick jumpers and were regularly checking their watches.
Initially, six passengers refused to board the flight. On board the aircraft, word reached one family. To the astonishment of cabin crew, they stood up and walked off, followed quickly by others.
The Monarch pilot - a highly experienced captain - accompanied by armed Civil Guard police and airport security staff, approached the two men and took their passports.
Half an hour later, police returned and escorted the two Asian passengers off the jet.
'There was no fuss or panic'
Soon afterwards, the aircraft was cleared while police did a thorough security sweep. Nothing was found and the plane took off - three hours late and without the two men on board.
Monarch arranged for them to spend the rest of the night in an airport hotel and flew them back to Manchester later on Wednesday.
College lecturer Jo Schofield, her husband Heath and daughters Emily, 15, and Isabel, 12, were caught up in the passenger mutiny.
Mrs Schofield, 38, said: "The plane was not yet full and it became apparent that people were refusing to board. In the gate waiting area, people had been talking about these two, who looked really suspicious with their heavy clothing, scruffy, rough, appearance and long hair.
"Some of the older children, who had seen the terror alert on television, were starting to mutter things like, 'Those two look like they're bombers.'
"Then a family stood up and walked off the aircraft. They were joined by others, about eight in all. We learned later that six or seven people had refused to get on the plane.
"There was no fuss or panic. People just calmly and quietly got off the plane. There were no racist taunts or any remarks directed at the men.
"It was an eerie scene, very quiet. The children were starting to ask what was going on. We tried to play it down."
Mr Schofield, 40, an area sales manager, said: "When the men were taken off they didn't argue or say a word. They just picked up their coats and obeyed the police. They seemed resigned to the fact they were under suspicion.
"The captain and crew were very apologetic when we were asked to evacuate the plane for the security search. But there was no dissent.
"While we were waiting, everyone agreed the men looked dodgy. Some passengers were very panicky and in tears. There was a lot of talking about terrorists."
Patrick Mercer, the Tory Homeland Security spokesman, said last night: "This is a victory for terrorists. These people on the flight have been terrorised into behaving irrationally.
"For those unfortunate two men to be victimised because of the colour of their skin is just nonsense."
Monarch said last night: "The captain was concerned about the security surrounding the two gentlemen on the aircraft and the decision was taken to remove them from the flight for further security checks.
"The two passengers offloaded from the flight were later cleared by airport security and rebooked to travel back to Manchester on a later flight."
A spokesman for the Civil Guard in Malaga said: "These men had aroused suspicion because of their appearance and the fact that they were speaking in a foreign language thought to be an Arabic language, and the pilot was refusing to take off until they were escorted off the plane."
Richard Reid. Homophone of the leader of the Fantastic Four.
Case closed.
Not so. Just NEVER try to get off after the door closes. Ever. The act of getting off after the door closes is not a crime. Interfering with the flight crew to GET the door open will guarantee that you get lots of Greyhound frequent dogger miles, and zero flyer miles for the rest of your natural born life. After you pay the $ten grand fine and post bond. According to an ex "associate" anyway. Before 9/11.
take a boat.
I've tended to wonder whether the jihadists are trying to do various "tests" to figure out how to maximize the likelihood that their next attack will work. Try something that should be deemed suspicious, but in such a way as to maintain plausible deniability, and see what the reaction is.
This does raise an interesting question, though: suppose that one knows that a jihadist is testing X-ray equipment/personnel by bringing on packages whose image will look like that of a bomb one has tried to obscure, but whose contents are all perfectly legal. In what cases is it better to let the terrorist know his package has been noticed as suspicious, and in what cases is it better to let him think it hasn't?
I did read the article. I also know the correct definition of hysterical, which is any excessive or uncontrolled emotion, especially fear, that is not merited by rational circumstances.
Otherwise, I did not say that the passengers are idiots; I said that the pilot probably thought the passengers were (behaving like) idiots. Take that however you like. The fact that you would've joined them certainly doesn't alter that equation..
Ahh, thanks! That was my vague recollection but I wasn't confident enough to run with it, and I didn't feel like looking it up.
""Asian" passengers? Didn't Michelle Malkin already expose the Euro-Pravda news agencies now referrening to Muslims as "Asians"?? If they were truly "Asian" (as in Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Korean) why would the passengers have thrown a fit, given that the recent bomb plot was to be carried out by MUSLIMS - not "Asians". This smells of something not good."
I didn't know about that. Thank you.
I still put the most emphasis, in this situation, on the leather coats and thick jumpers when it is hot. Leather jackets and thick jumpers may or may not be terrorism, but if it is not terrorism, it very likely is that they were sick. I wouldn't want to be on that plane with those 2, even if they were clean cut and talking in English.
Dang, man just call it a long line at the movie house.
So sue them.
Another option would be to provide Muslim passengers with what would effectively be classfied as "luxury cargo" arrangements. They would be in a properly heated and cooled area that has airline attendant service, but they would be in a secured/locked area of the airplane and would be on a retractable steel cable leading to their seat. Muslims need to get a handle on their fellow adherents before civilized people will regard them as human.
~ Blue Jays ~
It's actually a victory for Common Sense. IF they would profile, then the passengers would not have to. If the police took care of criminals, citizens would not have to. However, we do not have to BUY every bit of blather that the government blows. "The Emporer Has No Clothes" wins again. Better safe than sorry, imho.
. . . . indeed . . .
living under a rock . . .
or under the thumb of the puppet masters setting the world up to be scared into the global government.
the frightfull four, oops, that would be the wizard.
"The problem in this country (US) is that not all Muslims are Arabs or Pakistanis, and in fact we have a large number of home-grown blacks who are Muslims (and in fact have been engaged in terrorism, such as the DC snipers, or have been caught in broader terrorist plots with Pakistani Muslims). And of course we also have a number of whites, such as the plump, dreary white girls here in Florida who have started flopping around in their mountains of cloth because they have a prison-Muslim boyfriend.
So profiling is a little trickier than it sounds, since we are not permitted to ask for religious affiliation and they would just lie, anyway."
While I see your point. I don't know if anyone here is suggesting that the only security checks should be profiling. I think we should have the profiling and the other checks, like having to go through a metal detector, having to have luggage screened, etc. I know there are problems with these other measures, but I do think they are needed, but with profiling added to them.
I second that... what have they given done for the world in there entire existence other than terror. Let them invent and build there own form of transportation if they want to travel.
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Works for me. Especially given that they have more than enough of our oil dollars to do just that.
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