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Bush defends surveillance program
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/18/06 | Deb Reichman - ap

Posted on 08/18/2006 1:48:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

CAMP DAVID, Md. - President Bush on Friday criticized a federal court ruling that said his warrantless wiretapping program is unconstitutional, declaring that opponents "do not understand the nature of the world in which we live."

"I strongly disagree with that decision, strongly disagree," Bush said, striking his finger on a podium to underscore his point. "That's why I instructed the Justice Department to appeal immediately, and I believe our appeals will be upheld."

U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in Detroit on Thursday was the first to find the National Security Agency surveillance program unconstitutional. The program involves monitoring international phone calls and e-mails to and from the United States involving people with suspected ties to terrorists.

"If al-Qaida is calling in to the United States, we want to know why they're calling," Bush said.

Critics say the surveillance program skirts the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires court warrants for domestic eavesdropping. The administration has argued that obtaining warrants from a secret court set up under FISA is a time-consuming process unsuited for the government's fast-moving war on terror.

The judge said the government, in defending the program, appeared to be saying the president had the "inherent power" to violate laws of Congress.

"It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control," Taylor wrote in a 43-page opinion. "... There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution. So all 'inherent powers' must derive from that Constitution."

On other issues, Bush said it would take the world time to view the war between Israel and Hezbollah as a loss for the Islamic militant group.

"The first reaction, of course, of Hezbollah and its supporters is, declare victory," Bush said. "I guess I would have done the same thing if I were them, but sometimes it takes people a while to come to the sober realization of what forces create stability and which don't. Hezbollah is a force of instability."

Bush also expressed some disappointment with France's contribution to an expanded peacekeeping force in Lebanon.

France had been expected to make a significant new contribution that would form the backbone of the expanded force. But French President Jacques Chirac disappointed the United Nations and other countries by announcing France would contribute just 200 combat engineers to its current 200-member contingent in Lebanon.

"France has said they will send some troops," the president said. "We hope they'll send more."

Members of Bush's economic team stood alongside the president as he spoke under bright sunshine at the Camp David helipad. Among attendees were Vice President Dick Cheney, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, National Economic Council Director Allan Hubbard and White House budget chief Rob Portman.

The meeting came at a time when only 37 percent of Americans support Bush's handling of the economy, according to AP-Ipsos polling in early August. It's also just weeks before congressional midterm elections that will determine whether Republicans continue to control the House and the Senate.

Bush declared the economy solid and strong because of tax cuts his administration pushed through Congress. He rattled off a series of economic indicators, including the nation's 4.8 percent jobless rate in July and 4 percent annual economic growth rate through the first half of the year.

But House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi took issue with Bush's upbeat comments on the economy, saying, "President Bush may think the economy is moving forward, but many hard working Americans are stuck living paycheck to paycheck.

"Under President Bush and the Republican Congress, the economic situation for too many Americans is going in the wrong direction," said the California Democrat. Since Bush took office, she said, "real median family income has dropped by $1,700 while families are paying $3,200 more in household costs."

Bush did not mention that the July unemployment rate had inched up from 4.6 percent in June, reflecting a slowdown in job creation that reflects weaker economic growth. And while the gross domestic product expanded at an annual rate of 5.6 percent in the first quarter, it slowed to just 2.5 percent in the April-June quarter.

On Friday, a University of Michigan survey showed consumer confidence fell sharply in early August to the lowest level in 10 months as Americans were rattled by new terrorism concerns and gasoline prices above $3 per gallon.

Bush did not mention the jump in gasoline prices, although he did discuss the need to invest in new energy technologies.

Paulson, speaking to reporters later, said the team spent much time talking about long-term challenges such as changing Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in view of the pending retirement of 78 million baby boomers.

"We think it is quite possible to come up with a fix that is quite doable," Paulson said of reforming the government programs. "The question is whether we can get the support of Congress to get something done."

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AP Economics Writer Martin Crutsinger contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; annadiggstaylor; bush; counterterrorism; defends; nsa; program; spying; surveillance; wot
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To: rockabyebaby

I hate to say it, but if al Qaeda drops the big on on ol' Anna, I won't be shedding any tears.


61 posted on 08/18/2006 3:21:30 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Can I answer that when I get back from the mall?

LOL. I'm laughing, through a thick cloud of cynicism.

62 posted on 08/18/2006 3:22:36 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Do you take issue with folks who converse with known terrorists that utilize known phone numbers that may have been culled form laptops and other sources as part of raids the last few months overseas?

Of course. It's an absurd comment, designed specifically to avoid answering the question. Why circumvent the FISA law? Please respond directly to the question without hyperbole.
63 posted on 08/18/2006 3:23:15 PM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: ohioWfan

Yes, today at Camp David. I'm sorry I didn't make that clear.


64 posted on 08/18/2006 3:24:09 PM PDT by Alwayswatching
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

I suspect you have revealed yourself for what you are, sorry about that. ;-)


65 posted on 08/18/2006 3:24:26 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: GingisK
"Perhaps.."

Perhaps not, basher. Chump.


66 posted on 08/18/2006 3:24:32 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

He is not circumventing the law, btw, and if he is , prove it.

and you seemed to dodge mine as well as it were.


67 posted on 08/18/2006 3:26:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Alwayswatching
I have never seen him so down. His body language,his tone of voice,his state of distraction.

Two and a half months before the midterm elections. We cannot afford this. I wonder if all the incessant hatred dumped on him by the Democrats and the MSM, along with the spinelessness of congressional Republicans, is finally getting to him. God be with Pres. Bush.

68 posted on 08/18/2006 3:26:43 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I suspect you have revealed yourself for what you are

Please explain.

He is not circumventing the law

From what I understand, a warrant is required to wiretap an American citizen. Apparently some of those warrants are not being requested by or granted to the NSA.

and you seemed to dodge mine as well as it were.

No, you asked me if I took issue with people contacting known terrorists. I answered "of course."
69 posted on 08/18/2006 3:36:54 PM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

I saw that .. I may be wrong about you, frankly, the jury is still out.

I just find your accusation that he is doing things outside of the statute interesting.

What is your understanding of what he has done other than what has been authorized and on the books since 1978?


70 posted on 08/18/2006 3:40:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: My2Cents; sinkspur


Go ahead and ignore the facts, at your own, and everyone else's , peril.


71 posted on 08/18/2006 3:42:05 PM PDT by Paperdoll (........Washington Staters, Vote for McGavick!)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

From what I understand, a warrant is required to wiretap an American citizen. Apparently some of those warrants are not being requested by or granted to the NSA.

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From what I understand, a warrant is required to wiretap an American citizen. Apparently some of those warrants are not being requested by or granted to the NSA.


So impeach him, if you have proof of this.


72 posted on 08/18/2006 3:42:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Paperdoll

Gawd, you're tedious.


73 posted on 08/18/2006 3:42:42 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: All

This specific topic is now being discussed by the Fox
All-Stars on the Brit Hume Report.


74 posted on 08/18/2006 3:44:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: GingisK

these foreign intercepts have been going on for decades.


75 posted on 08/18/2006 3:47:00 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: 12th_Monkey

actually, he was pretty blunt in the speech I saw. but he needs to systain it - day after day after day - its the only way the sheeple get a message.


76 posted on 08/18/2006 3:48:22 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: sinkspur

I would generally agree with you - but I do not trust the SCOTUS - the same 5 judges who ruled on the Gitmo case, re-drafting Geneva rights et al - that voting block is dangerously comprimised regarding these national security cases.

it could go 5-4 either way.


77 posted on 08/18/2006 3:53:00 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: sinkspur
Warrants are not needed to gather information to stop terrorist attacks. Warrants are only needed to gather information pursuant to filing a criminal action.

Read the 4th amendment and its interpretation.

Amendment IV:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Not that I have a problem with our Presidents actions, but where is the part about terrorists?

78 posted on 08/18/2006 3:53:22 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: My2Cents

>Gawd, you're tedious.<

Oh, another one who has nothing productive to add, so falls back on vicsious personal attack. I should have known.


79 posted on 08/18/2006 3:55:19 PM PDT by Paperdoll (........Washington Staters, Vote for McGavick!)
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To: My2Cents

I can't begin to imagine the pressure he's under.But even though he seemed down, he managed to convey his extreme disgust at that hideous, dangerous ruling. His spirit isn't broken by any means,but he sure seemed troubled.How could he not be?


80 posted on 08/18/2006 3:57:44 PM PDT by Alwayswatching
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