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To: California Patriot
BS. State after state has passed concealed-carry laws in just the last few years.

And BS right back. If ANY "progress" had been made, NOBODY would have to beg permission to carry, concealed, or otherwise.

67 posted on 08/18/2006 3:11:21 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

For Christ's sake. Don't you understand means that "progress" simply means "improvement," not that a situation is ideal?

You've pointed out that gun laws aren't ideal.
I've pointed out that in many states, they've gotten better. How the hell is that not progress?

You can say it's very slight progress, or that things have been getting words in other respects with gun laws. But to say that there's no progress because we shouldn't have had to pass concealed-carry in the first place is illogical.
What you mean is, the situation wasn't and isn't ideal. No argument there. But here as elsewhere, perfectionism is counter-productive.


78 posted on 08/18/2006 3:36:18 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: ApplegateRanch
If ANY "progress" had been made, NOBODY would have to beg permission to carry, concealed, or otherwise.

Some progress was made. Alaska went from shall issue to unrestricted. Now you only need paperwork if you want reciprocity in other states that observe reciprocity for their shall issue privilege.

112 posted on 08/18/2006 7:23:36 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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