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To: ApplegateRanch

I appreciate your modifications on the question of ownership (illegals, and the seriously mentally ill).

I would actually add another point that I'm sure you'd agree with: Even ex-felons have some natural right to self-defense. It must be balanced against their potential danger to society, but still, there's a natural right to self-defense that is not erased by past behavior.


107 posted on 08/18/2006 6:13:36 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot
Even ex-felons

Hard@$$ me, I only consider a pardoned citizen to be an "ex-felon". Once a felon, always a felon. Now, a felon MIGHT be an ex-inmate, and maybe even an ex-criminal.

By definition, a felon is one who has been convicted of a felony; no "ex" applies without a pardon. Same applies to "convict".

However, that is hairsplitting. As I said about "violent felons": They don't belong on the streets in the first place.

108 posted on 08/18/2006 6:25:19 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: California Patriot
I would actually add another point that I'm sure you'd agree with: Even ex-felons have some natural right to self-defense. It must be balanced against their potential danger to society, but still, there's a natural right to self-defense that is not erased by past behavior.

For the first century and half, and a bit more, of the existence of the country, no federal law prohibited felons who had served their time from owning the means of self defense, most state laws did not either, probably none that date to the time of the passage of the second amendment and it's state constitutional analogs.

152 posted on 08/19/2006 8:16:48 PM PDT by El Gato
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