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To: Hoplite
But nonetheless if they found two left femurs and used that to say they are two separate people; along with the two left forearms, saying that they are from two separate people, they still haven't ruled out, by their methold, that the owners of the femurs could be the same as the forearms, or at least one. So, using pieces from selected body parts which don't match but can be concluded through that as different people, doesn't take into body parts from other areas which don't match each other.

Making things even more complicated is the fact that parts of one body can be in several termed "mass graves" - that's even mentioned in these articles sometimes.

The Muslims were notorious for cutting off parts of Serbs - the head was popular - but taking chopping off their hands, legs, arms, etc. was common. Serbs often found only parts of their freshly killed people. What the Muslims did with the Serbs' bodies and parts or what happened to them during the attack is sometimes unknown - but likely scattered around the area.

77 posted on 08/20/2006 1:29:43 PM PDT by joan
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These are a few examples of how the Srebrenica Muslims killed Serbs in the area and chopped off parts of their bodies - mainly their heads - which have never been found (and could be skulls now somewhere), but also other parts. One woman elderly woman, Bosa Cavic (1924), had both arms cut below the elbow. So, what if one of the left (or right) forearms possible found in the vicinity of Potocari was hers? Would the Muslims claim it as theirs? The Serbs never got those parts of her body back, so her bones could be counted as a separate person in the findings.

What happened to all the heads the Muslims took? Many Serbs had to be buried headless, armless, or missing some bones. Are they still in Bosnia, or were they sent to a Middle East country (there was said to be a market/desire for cut off heads in those places)?

On October 5, 1992, Moslem armed formations attacked the house of Sreten Djokic in the village of Divovici near Bratunac, and two days later the bodies of the people killed in Divovici were handed over to the Serbs. The body of Sreten Djokic was given without the head and the right arm. On the neck hung a patch of skin with hair from the top of his head. The head and the arm were never found and the body was buried without them. Proof: 37/94-6.

In clashes between Moslem armed forces and those of the Army of the Republic of Srpska on November 5,1992 in the area of Kamenica, the commune of Zvornik, the Moslems captured and killed by beheading Vlado Grabovica, Savo Djokic, Dragomir Bozic, Slavko Tijanic, Savo Kazanovic and Radomir Pavlovic. Dragomir Bozic was massacred and the head severed from the body. The head of Slavko Tijanic was found without the eyes, ears and nose, a 6 mm diameter iron bar was found in his chest, while his neck, hands and feet were tied with wire. The head of Savo Kazanovic had also been cut off, his chest pierced with a large nail, and he himself nailed to an oak tree and crucified. A head without the body was also found which is assumed to have belonged to Milos Grabovica.
The following were also killed in Kamenica on November 5,1992:
Miladin Asceric, 28 years old;
Mico Tesic, 24 years old and
Nikola Milinovic, 27
years old. They were also beheaded. Proof: 184/94-5, 184/95-6, 184/95-7 and 184/95-8.

On September 24,1992 Moslem forces occupied the village of Podravanje in the commune of Milici, set it to fire, looted it and killed all the wounded whom they found in the village. They killed 19 persons on that occasion and massacred their bodies. Zulfo Tursumovic from Suceska had the severely wounded Tomislav Perendic put his head in his (Tursumovic's) lap and then slaughtered him and cut his head off. Svetozar Jovanovic's head was cut off and impaled on a stake and Gojko Tomic was beheaded and his head thrown some 20 metres away from the body.

DESIGNATION OF CRIME: Deliberate killing of civilians.
PLACE AND TIME: The village of Potocani, end of May and beginning of June, 1992.
BRIEF DESCRIPTION: At the end of May, 1992, most probably on 25 or 26 May, in the village of Potocani, Muslim soldiers in "Green Beret" uniforms, under command of Semin Rustanpasic, killed the following Serbs:

1. Draga Cavic, of father Nedeljko, born in 1933,
2. Milenko Lukic.
At the beginning of June, the following persons were also killed in this village:
3. Ljubo Cavic, of father Ljubo, born in 1911, and his wife,
4. Bosa Cavic, of father Aleksa, born in 1924 - slaughtered in front of their house. A big cross was cut into Ljuba's chest. Bosa's throat was cut, both her breasts were cut off, her eyes were gouged out and her ears cut off. Both her arms were cut to the elbows.
5. Jelena Jovic, of father Milan, born in 1928. Her nose, ears and arms were cut off and her eyes were gouged.
6. Mara, from Kupres by birth, was slaughtered.
7. Radojka Prgomelja, of father Stanoje, born in 1944. Her right leg and nose were cut off, her eyes were gouged out and she was cut all over the body.
INDICATIONS CONCERNING PERPETRATOR:
1. Semin Rustanpasic, commander of the "Green Berets" unit, 2. Senad Bajric, 3-6. Eric, Corina, Rizvan and Durakovic, "Green Berets" soldiers.
EVIDENCE: Testimony by the witness 234/95-13.
Some of the war crimes that are reported to the UN and listed by the case and proof number. All Bosnian Muslim units were from Srebrenica's operational Muslim army group.

In an attack on the Serb village of Brezani, the commune of Srebrenica, on June 30, 1992, members of Moslem armed forces killed 19 serb villagers. The body of Milos Novakovic from the hamlet of Cicevac was found with the head cut off. Proof: 493/94-9, 493/94-5, 493/94-6, 493/94-7, 493/94-8 and 635/94-9.

Slavko Mladjenovic, (father Ljubomir), born in 1965, was killed on August 8, 1992 during an attack on the village of Jezestice, the commune of Bratunac. He was buried without the head which had been cut off and taken away. Proof: 68/94 and 635/94-28.

In an attack carried out on June 3,1992 on the village of Brezane, the commune of Srebrenica, Moslems killed Milivoje Mitrovic and Stanoje Mitrovic. When this village was liberated in April 1993 their headless bodies were found. Stanoje Mitrovic's throat had been slit by one "Kemo" from Pale. Proof: 635/94-9.
The Moslems killed the Serb Sredoje Jovanovic from Krnice by beheading him when they attacked this village on July 5, 1992. Proof: 493/94-13.


78 posted on 08/20/2006 1:53:39 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
The whole point, Joan, is that only one bone or identifiable part of that bone is used to arrive at the Minimum Number of Individuals count for that mass grave site. Using two different parts defeats the purpose unless you've categorized the bones into sub-populations by sex and age, whereupon you can produce MNI counts for each category using different skeletal landmarks for each sub-population without fear of double counting for the entire population.

Here's an example of an exhumation (non-Srebrenica related) where the MNI of 298 was arrived at by using the right femur.

Further, the single Srebrenica related mass grave MNI counts have been amalgamated into a full Srebrenica related Mass Grave MNI count (MMNI), which stood at 2,541 in February of 2004.

Lastly, if you wish to believe that the Serbs commingled the remains of Serbian victims with those of the folks they were disposing of from their Srebrenica operation, well have at it. Nothing the Serbs do or you say surprises me much anymore.

79 posted on 08/20/2006 2:23:22 PM PDT by Hoplite
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