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To: joan; wideminded
Considering one body can break up into a dozen parts or more, they are likely counting individuals numerous times.
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Until they have the DNA evidence for each part/partial skeleton, they cannot know whether the femur in one bag matches the shoulder bones and ribs in another bag, etc.

This issue was addressed specifically in May of 2000 during during the Krstic Srebrenica trial with the testimony of Jose Pablo Baraybar, who worked on the Srebrenica exhumations and is now head of the OMPF in Kosovo.

21   Q. We can move on to the next objective of
22   forensic anthropology, and that is the MNI or minimum
23   number of individuals. Now, before I show you any
24   exhibits, can you explain to the Judges what the
25   purpose of the MNI test is?

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1   A. Right. If we were to encounter a grave with
2   complete individuals, one of the first questions that
3   the Prosecution will ask us is: "How many people were
4   in the grave?" In that case, we will do what we
5   normally know as a head count. You can just simply
6   count how many bodies you are seeing.
7   I mentioned earlier that the human body
8  contains 206 bones. Let's imagine for a moment that
9   instead of complete individuals, we have a number of
10   fragments of people, a number of body parts in there.
11   You have seen from the previous testimonies that it is
12   not easy, even while excavating, to be able to count
13   how many remains we have there. And even if we can
14   count them, we still do not know how many people are
15   represented by those remains.
16   Therefore, the minimum number of individuals
17   is a conservative, again, approach as to say at least
18   how many individuals are necessary to account for the
19   number of body parts or bones we have recovered.
20   Q. Now, you've put together a number of exhibits
21   to explain this scientific concept to the Judges. And
22   if you have Exhibit 227 -- the usher can assist you --
23   could you explain to the Judges what is represented by
24   this diagram?
25   A. Although I am using the example of a left

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1   forearm in this case, this is basically the same thing
2   as a head count, meaning two left forearms will
3   indicate that at least we have two people, primarily
4   because nobody tends to have more than two left
5   forearms.
6   If I may move to the second exhibit, 229.
7   Right. This actually is more like the cases we've been
8   dealing with, meaning fragments. Let's just assume
9   again that we have two females that are from the same
10   side but are two different parts of the female. In
11   this one we got the top or proximal part of the bone
12   and the mid-part of the bone, and in this one we have
13   the mid-part and the bottom part, that is, the distal
14   part.
15   MR. CAYLEY: Mr. Baraybar, if I could just
16   interrupt you there. The witness is indicating, on
17   Exhibit 229, that in the left portion of the photograph
18   is the proximal portion of the femur, and in the
19   right-hand photograph, the distal portion of the right
20   femur.
21   Q. Please continue, sir.
22   A. Considering that we cannot actually fit these
23   two fragments and make one femur, we have to take again
24   a conservative approach and say that we assume that
25   these two fragments, although not fitting with one

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1   another, represent one individual. That would be the
2   way we would construct a minimal number of
3   individuals. Otherwise, we could say that these are
4   two femurs. But we are taking it as only one.
5   Q. But am I right in saying that potentially in
6   any grave site, these two portions of bone could
7   represent two individuals?
8   A. That is correct.
9   Q. So this technique of counting individuals
10   naturally always under-counts the number of people in a
11   grave?
12   A. That is correct.

Give it a rest already Joan - the only way to perpetuate your version of Srebrenica is to lie, so at least do yourself the favor of not trying to recycle lies who's shelf life has already expired.

72 posted on 08/20/2006 11:27:18 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; wideminded
Your post actually shows they could possibly (and I'll be they do - at least at the preliminary headline announcements) get more people out of only fragments of bones, not just the 206 bones.

For example, the guy says that if they have two left forearms it is 2 separate people - but only if you found the full number of left forearms for the entire site could you say it added to the total claimed. He then goes on to mention only parts of another part of the body, but never accounts if those separate parts could also be from one or both of the forearmed-boned found individuals, in his example.

So, if he finds parts of legbones and knows it is from two separate people (counting it as 2 people, as they would be), then is also counting the 2 left-forearm bones as 2 separate people (as indeed they would be), but one or both of the forearmed people could be matched with the sets of other bones, and in that way 2 people could become up to 4 in this case, and if they continue in that way they could multiply people more based on the number of fragments and bones.

73 posted on 08/20/2006 11:51:05 AM PDT by joan
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